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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #28!!!

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1theapparatus
Sep 7, 2010, 9:09 am

This thread is for LT'ers or thingamabrarians, or members, or their designees, to post combining or separating problems with their books.
**If a book has been combined with a book that is extremely different from the original.
**If a book won't combine with the other books just like it.
**There is a problem with the entry & it is just too overwhelming to deal with.
________________________________________...

It has been suggested many times that there be a single thread for LT'ers to post combining & separating problems so that;
** they can learn how to do it
** they can get help when needed
** just want someone else to do it (usually, they can't understand how to do it... which is normal... or don't have the time)
**and finally, those LT'ers who "enjoy" combining can have a place to look to first to see what fun can be had helping LT be the best place to catalog books.
________________________________________...

WHEN YOU POST:
Please give us HYPERLINKS or URLs, not touchstones. Hyperlinks to the pages where the problems exist are much more accurate than a touchstone when there is a problem.
Give us the title & author, plus any other information you think we might need.

Then you can just wait, "and someone will be with you shortly."
________________________________________...

Tim's Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for contacting members about their book records:

"For this topic, I still feel strongly that I'd like to consider it bad form. Many others agree with me. But a few thing I'm dictating and are angry about that. So, fine. Let's just write some guidelines up. I propose that the guidelines be something along the lines of:

*Remember that LibraryThing is used for many different reasons. The way you use and enjoy the site is not necessarily the way others do.
*Be sensitive to how the member is using LibraryThing. Approach members who show no interest in the social side more cautiously.
*Try to provide helpful information and ask questions rather than dictating.
*If the user indicates displeasure at the request, let it drop.
*When in doubt, raise the issue in the Combiners! group before sending a message."
________________________________________...

Skittles' note: I would like to add that we should ALWAYS use private comment when we absolutely must contact a LT'er, even when their response isn't private.

and yes, this thread is similar to putting all of our problems together for people to see & say, "oh, no!! LT isn't perfect!!" or "Look at all of the problems that LT has." That isn't the case here. This is a place to gather "challenges" together to make it easier & faster to "fix" them. Let's just remember that "bad" data comes from people... people who make mistakes.. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! (ok, there are a couple of perfect people around here) Instead of complaining about the problem, let's fix it.
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Dr Mike's (aka theapparatus) note:

If both works that need to be combine have more than 200 records, please post your request in this thread:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602

You need staff intervention to handle that request.

________________________________________...

When this thread reaches approximately 200 posts, DO NOT POST HERE, but go to POST #29. This thread will be easier to handle if we keep it under 200. (faster loading) Please copy any notes or instructions to the new thread.
Thank you.

Feel free to add comments &/or suggestions... not just "challenges"

**There is also a Combiner's Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread #2 at:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164
That thread is for combining information, discussion in general, not for problems....

**The wiki page is here:
http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining

2yoyogod
Sep 7, 2010, 1:52 pm

I was trying to get these to combine, but I can't seem to get it:

http://www.librarything.com/work/6200894
http://www.librarything.com/work/5702170

3henkl
Sep 7, 2010, 2:40 pm

4theapparatus
Sep 8, 2010, 6:42 am

Need an opinion on these please:

http://www.librarything.com/work/8110001
http://www.librarything.com/work/722207

The covers are differently sized and the iSBNs are different but looks to be the same book, just a different format.

5Noisy
Sep 8, 2010, 7:26 am

>4 theapparatus:

Go for it. I can't see there'll be any harm. You can't see the details of the singleton because it's part of a private library, so you have little further info to go on. You could check sources to see if softback/hardback is the difference, but is it actually worth it?

6Nicole_VanK
Sep 8, 2010, 8:39 am

Yes, I would combine those.

7henkl
Sep 8, 2010, 8:40 am

>4 theapparatus: I think #8110001 is an audiobook on CD.

8theapparatus
Edited: Sep 8, 2010, 8:45 am

>7 henkl: Didn;t think of that. Would explain the differently sized cover.

Thanks

edit: The single one is an unabridged CD: http://www.amazon.com/Buyers-Renters-Freeloaders-Willard-Harley/dp/0800744306

9Nicole_VanK
Sep 8, 2010, 8:46 am

Ah, yes, audiobooks. Keep forgetting about those.

10theapparatus
Sep 8, 2010, 2:46 pm

I'm sorry but I;m not in a position to run down this list. Hopefully someone else can. I see about a dozen going through thta need to be combined:

http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=leads&sort=title

12r.orrison
Sep 9, 2010, 1:51 am

11: Looks good to me. Done.

13AngelWitch
Sep 9, 2010, 2:05 pm

14Nicole_VanK
Sep 9, 2010, 2:15 pm

> 13 : Done.

16r.orrison
Sep 10, 2010, 1:45 am

15: Done

18theapparatus
Sep 10, 2010, 7:37 pm

Can someone work on this as well please:

http://www.librarything.com/work/706770/book/51773743

The ones labeled D1-2 is the ones with the bluecover. ISBN for that should be 0935696601 or 0394521862. The TSR series number is 9019.

The ones labeled D1 and/or First of 3 modules is the one with the tanish cover. ISBN for that is 0935696059, 0394511808 or n/a. The TSR series number for that is 9059.

You may also want to search for the title as well becase there's a few floating around as well. The book writtern by (I believe) Pell is not to be included

thnaks,
-drmike

Thanks.

21jseger9000
Sep 10, 2010, 10:07 pm

Please combine:
http://www.librarything.com/work/7835163

with:
http://www.librarything.com/work/1548008

(I'm cleaning up the Best New Horror series.)

26r.orrison
Edited: Sep 11, 2010, 2:04 am

17: One was just the 2009 edition of the other, and the other already contained multiple editions. I've combined; if anyone has them and disagrees please add a disambiguation notice.

19-25: Done. One of the small ones had a copy of 15 stuck into it (according to the title and ISBN) so I split it off and put it where it belonged. Some were already done.

I've left 18 for someone with more specialist knowledge.

27jseger9000
Sep 11, 2010, 3:34 am

#26 - Thanks!

28theapparatus
Sep 11, 2010, 7:46 am

18's a mess. That's why I left it as well. Thanks

29MarthaJeanne
Edited: Sep 11, 2010, 3:23 pm

If someone is looking for a challenge

The Worst-Case Scenario Survival Handbook
http://www.librarything.com/work/17382

includes a lot of the series besides the original book.

30jseger9000
Sep 11, 2010, 4:11 pm

I've been working on the The New Junior Classics: The Young Folks' Shelf of Books books. They are a mess.

Please combine:
http://www.librarything.com/work/10405157

with:
http://www.librarything.com/work/10405160

and:
http://www.librarything.com/work/10405190

and:
http://www.librarything.com/work/9608525

38inkcrow
Sep 11, 2010, 4:59 pm

Please combine:
http://www.librarything.com/work/10405623

with
http://www.librarything.com/work/28935

I already separated the currently orphan book from a completely different work.

39skittles
Edited: Sep 11, 2010, 5:39 pm

#30 to #38: done

#29: I will check them & separate what I can, but don't know how far I can get right now.

#29: edited to add that it looks as if someone has already removed any English language ones that don't belong. I cannot tell on the non-English titles.

41theapparatus
Sep 12, 2010, 8:52 am

Looks like someone got #40 up there.

42SirThomas
Sep 12, 2010, 2:21 pm

Hi,
Daniel D(ouglas). Wissmann wrote Die Königin der Bienen as Daniel Douglas. Under Daniel Douglas are two other works and I think this is another author.
Could someone with more knowledge than me combine the first Daniel Douglas with Daniel D. Wissmann and let the other uncombined?
Thank you
Thomas

43Felagund
Sep 12, 2010, 3:04 pm

>42 SirThomas:
I don't think that what you're asking is possible under LT's current author management system.

44skittles
Edited: Sep 12, 2010, 3:07 pm

#42: can you give us links to the works you wish to have combined??

Thank you.

edited to add: authors cannot be combined when others with a same name are involved.

we can combine works & hope that they fall on the correct page, but that is the limit to what we can do.

Thank you.

45SirThomas
Sep 13, 2010, 2:32 am

# 43, 44:
Thank you for your answers. If my problem is not solvable, LT is anyway the best thing I have ever seen for my books.
# 44:
The link of the work is http://www.librarything.com/work/3741667: Die Königin der Bienen and is written by Daniel D. Wissmann.
In the Editions page there are 4 copies from Daniel Douglas and 2 copies from Daniel D. Wissmann.

46r.orrison
Sep 13, 2010, 2:42 am

The two copies of Die Königin der Bienen with the wrong author were both imported from Amazon.de; if you contact Amazon.de you should be able to get them to correct their data, and then future copies imported to LibraryThing will have the correct author. Find the book on their site, there should be a link at the bottom of the page to allow correction of the details.

http://www.librarything.com/work/3741667/details/42903014
http://www.librarything.com/work/3741667/details/20073148

47Nicole_VanK
Sep 13, 2010, 2:47 am

Except it isn't really a wrong author. As SirThomas said in #42: "Daniel D(ouglas). Wissmann wrote Die Königin der Bienen as Daniel Douglas." Even WorldCat has Daniel Douglas as the author.

I'm afraid we're stuck with this one until we get fully separated author pages for same name authors.

48r.orrison
Sep 13, 2010, 3:26 am

I misunderstood... I've been working with petergrant's library too long, where things are cataloged by firstname or first and middle names, and thought he was saying that Douglas was the author's middle name.

49Nicole_VanK
Sep 13, 2010, 3:34 am

No worries. This author used his middle name as a pseudonym - what can you do...

50europhile
Sep 13, 2010, 6:14 am

tell him not to?

51theapparatus
Sep 13, 2010, 8:06 am

Oh like that'll work....

522wonderY
Edited: Sep 14, 2010, 9:08 am

This one is beyond my skill level.

http://www.librarything.com/author/robinsoncharles

The author page seems to favor Charles M. Robinson III (including the Wikipedia link), though he should have his own danged page.

I tidied up the works and seperated into three piles. The British illustrator may have another page, but I'm not up to finding it.

Is there a way to neatly migrate Charles M the third away from the plain Charles Robinsons?

53EveleenM
Sep 14, 2010, 9:38 am

#52 The Charles M. and plain Charles Robinson pages shouldn't be combined. There are separate pages for a whole load of Charles Robinsons (Charles A, C, E, F, H, J, L, R, S, W, as well as M), and this one should be separate too.

54Nicole_VanK
Sep 14, 2010, 9:43 am

Agreed. It's a bit of a hassle in this case, because all the Charles M. Robinson variants seem to have been combined into Charles Robinson. But you're absolutely right : no way Charles equals Charles M. in this case.

55EveleenM
Edited: Sep 14, 2010, 9:59 am

I'll go ahead and separate them.

Edited to add: according to WorldCat, the two books left in what was Charles M's part of the split actually belong to other Charles Robinsons.

Since re-assigning them would leave an empty split, I'm going to temporarily recombine them to reset Charles M's books to 'unknown', then separate again.

562wonderY
Sep 14, 2010, 10:25 am

thanks!

57EveleenM
Sep 14, 2010, 10:28 am

You're welcome! I've put a disambiguation notice on the Charles Robinson page.

58theapparatus
Edited: Sep 15, 2010, 9:42 am

Need an opinion call please:

http://www.librarything.com/work/237106
http://www.librarything.com/work/6244007

The ISBN for the second book is listed as part of the first one but so are about a half dozen other ISBNs. Don;t know a thing about the work and there's a subtitle as well.

edit: If anyone does do a combine, they may want to search for others of this title.

59Nicole_VanK
Sep 15, 2010, 9:45 am

According to worldcat the second is by Jonathan Miller too (London, Faber 1990). I would combine.

60theapparatus
Sep 15, 2010, 9:46 am

Good enough for me. Thanks.

61sarahemmm
Sep 15, 2010, 10:35 am

I don't do much combining, so I have got stuck on Suzanne Brockmann.

Suzanne Brockmann

She also wrote one book as Anne Brock and this name has been combined into Suzanne Brockmann; unfortunately another Anne Brock wrote Upholstery Properly Explained, which has therefore ended up under Suzanne. I have separated out the book, but I don't know what to do next... help!

Upholstery Properly Explained

62Nicole_VanK
Sep 15, 2010, 10:41 am

I've split off "Anne Brock" - which fortunately only too the Upholstery book away.

63theapparatus
Sep 15, 2010, 6:14 pm

Would someone take a few moments and review this author:

http://www.librarything.com/author/mainskarenburton

I see some works that need to be combined and others that need to be separated. I'm in the middle of a project and limited on time.

thanks,
-drmike

64EveleenM
Edited: Sep 15, 2010, 6:54 pm

#63
I'll have a look.
edited to add:
I tidied up a few things. There seem to be a couple of works which include editions with the same title and a different subtitle: these looked like the same work to me so I left them alone. E.g. http://www.librarything.com/work/294892/editions

65Nicole_VanK
Sep 16, 2010, 2:36 am

> 63 / 64: I've tidied up some other language editions. For the rest it looks okay to me now.

66AnnaClaire
Sep 16, 2010, 11:43 am

68SimoneA
Sep 16, 2010, 1:45 pm

#66 done

69r.orrison
Sep 16, 2010, 2:16 pm

67: Done

71SimoneA
Sep 16, 2010, 2:50 pm

#70 done

72theapparatus
Edited: Sep 16, 2010, 9:45 pm

Forgive me but I;m really tired right now to do this.

Would someone look at the the tubb novel and the combo and their editions and see if they;re right.

http://www.librarything.com/work/1939808

http://www.librarything.com/work/202056

I just tried to add in the jester work via overcat and got the combo. I was paying attention and could have sworn that i had the single one in front of me.

thanks

dr "2 days of 4+ hour ekgs suck" mike

edit: Also it appears that the "Death is a dream" work by tubb has gotten mixed in with another author's work by the same title:

http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=death+is+a+dream

73henkl
Sep 17, 2010, 3:59 am

Looks all right to me.

74DemetriosX
Sep 17, 2010, 9:35 am

Not sure anything can be done, but this book

http://www.librarything.com/work/1773480/

is incorrectly assigned to Richard Morris when it is actually by Janet Morris (http://www.librarything.com/author/morrisjanet). There was obviously some bad info from some source and about half the editions are credited to Richard. A little more, I suppose, since he's winning. Anyway, if there is some sort of arcana that can be performed to get this properly credited to Janet, that would be good.

75theapparatus
Edited: Sep 17, 2010, 10:35 am

74: Looks like someone fixed it as it says Janet now.

Looks like bad data as Amazon has it as Richard:

http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-Hell-Richard-Morris/dp/0671698222

Someone care to drop them a note??

edit: Looks like they started to fix it as there's a couple editions separated out with Richard as the author.

76skittles
Sep 17, 2010, 10:36 am

#74: It shows up on the Janet Morris page as well as the Richard Morris page.

(the amazon record has Richard as the author.... can someone let amazon know, please?)

I've added lots of extra copies to try & overwhelm the Richard records, but it isn't working, so I'm going to leave them separated...

Let's wait a couple of days with them separated... to let the cache catch up... then combine them. I will leave my 'ghost' copies up in my 'ghost' account for now.

Good Luck!

77boldface
Sep 17, 2010, 2:13 pm

I have recently added the following to my library:

http://www.librarything.com/work/10415322/details/64653334

It's volume 4 of a five-volume work, but the volumes cover very different periods and each has been combined separately. I am happy with this, but when I added this volume to my library it came up associated with the wrong volume and with the wrong series number. So I separated it with the intention of combining it with the many other copies of volume 4.

http://www.librarything.com/work/221917/editions

However, when I click on "Editions" it comes up with "none recommended".

http://www.librarything.com/work/10415322/editions/64653334

How can I combine it with the other copies of volume 4?

78DemetriosX
Sep 17, 2010, 3:11 pm

#74-76: I must have fixed it myself without knowing it. There are several authors named Richard Morris and the book had been assigned to number 1. I separated it out by assigning it to unknown and that seems to have allowed it to switch to Janet. Or something.

79MarthaJeanne
Edited: Sep 17, 2010, 5:18 pm

77> If you want to do it yourself, the easiest way would be to change your author to match the one shown for that volume on the Series page. If it still doesn't combine itself or show on the editions page as a recommendation, you can then use the author's combine/separate page. There are other ways that others would have to use, but they are harder.

(There is a Portugese copy on the Michelle Perrot page, but I didn't combine them, as I wasn't sure how that would affect the method I suggested above.)

81r.orrison
Edited: Sep 18, 2010, 10:52 am

80: Done and done.

82prosfilaes
Sep 18, 2010, 6:07 pm

Can someone please combine Reunion in Death with the audiobook?

http://www.librarything.com/work/24673
http://www.librarything.com/work/10277427

83skittles
Sep 18, 2010, 6:57 pm

I hope that wasn't an abridged edition...

il est fini.

84TineOliver
Sep 19, 2010, 8:21 am

Hi all,

I have a copy of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass published by Penguin (ISBN: 978-0141192468). This edition is currently cataloged with the following work:

http://www.librarything.com/work/777000

However, I this edition would be more appropriately cataloged with the following work as it also contains a copy of "Alice's Adventures Underground", which the other editions listed in the work above do not:

http://www.librarything.com/work/9830187

Is this something to do with how I've entered the book or is it a combining/separating issue? Sorry, I'm new to all this combining stuff...

85Nicole_VanK
Edited: Sep 19, 2010, 8:33 am

It's a combining/separating issue. However, unfortunately I'm unable to find your book amongst the editions : http://www.librarything.com/work/777000/editions/26869904 Are you sure about that ISBN?

86boldface
Sep 19, 2010, 11:40 am

> 79

Thanks, MarthaJeanne. I have done as you suggest and it worked!

88skittles
Sep 19, 2010, 1:29 pm

#87: done, but it went to the "various" author page.

89henkl
Edited: Sep 19, 2010, 1:30 pm

>87 supersidvicious: Barkingmatt is doing this right now.
No, it was skittles!

90Nicole_VanK
Sep 19, 2010, 1:30 pm

No, skittles beat me to it.

91skittles
Sep 19, 2010, 1:31 pm

#89: Similar concepts:

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

"How many combiners can combine the same work?"

92theapparatus
Sep 19, 2010, 7:08 pm

I have to catch a bus. Would someone please clean these up?

http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=Study+Guide+to+Macroeconomics

93TineOliver
Sep 19, 2010, 7:08 pm

#85 > That's definately the ISBN-13. The ISBN-10 is slightly different (maybe a source issue): 141192461

A link to the details of the edition I have is as follows:
http://www.librarything.com/work/777000/details/59518493

Thanks :)

94theapparatus
Edited: Sep 19, 2010, 9:35 pm

Someone appears to have mixed together R. A. Salvatore's Exile novel and graphic novel. Hopefully someone can work on these:

http://www.librarything.com/work/17230

http://www.librarything.com/work/9539780

If not, I'll look at them tomorrow if I have time.

edit: Found another one: http://www.librarything.com/work/5380559

The novel ISBN is: 0880389206

95Nicole_VanK
Sep 20, 2010, 4:26 am

> 93: Okay, I've separated the 0141192461 editions and recombined them with the edition including "Underground". Hope it looks better now.

96TineOliver
Sep 20, 2010, 6:49 am

> 95: Excellent - much better. Thank you!

97Nicole_VanK
Sep 20, 2010, 7:08 am

You're very welcome.

99DemetriosX
Sep 20, 2010, 7:41 am

These two books are the same:

http://www.librarything.com/work/1684233
http://www.librarything.com/work/7579409

Difficulty: The first one has more copies, but the author information on the second one is (more) correct. It would be good if they wound up under George Eaton Simpson rather than the multiple author George Simpson.

100jjmcgaffey
Sep 20, 2010, 7:50 am

I've got a pair that are the same book, (mostly) same ISBN, but two editions (with multiple copies) have been entered with no author and I can't figure out how to convince them to belong to the Jim Leckie work.

No author:
http://www.librarything.com/work/998004
Jim Leckie:
http://www.librarything.com/work/1703799

How do you do that? I'd like to know, for future reference. If it doesn't appear under Potential Combination, I'm kind of stuck...

101Felagund
Sep 20, 2010, 7:58 am

>98 supersidvicious:, 100
Done
>99 DemetriosX:
Done, but George-no-middle-name-Simpson won the popularity contest...

102MarthaJeanne
Edited: Sep 20, 2010, 9:16 am

Kreuzstichmuster Teil 1
http://www.librarything.com/work/4995924
http://www.librarything.com/work/4467440
(There is a third work with the title, but no idea if it is the same work. These two are.)

Donna Kooler's Cross Stitch Inspirations
http://www.librarything.com/work/3726088
http://www.librarything.com/work/785158

103SimoneA
Sep 20, 2010, 9:57 am

#102 done

104nsblumenfeld
Sep 20, 2010, 10:38 am

I've done the usual adding multiple copies with different authors and titles, but to no avail so far, so I'd be obliged if someone who's more accomplished would be willing to combine:

http://www.librarything.com/work/9928504
http://www.librarything.com/work/10273372/

Thank you!

105Nicole_VanK
Sep 20, 2010, 10:46 am

107theapparatus
Edited: Sep 20, 2010, 11:20 am

106: I got them.

edit: Scratch them. I don;t have them. ISBN 3905703033 is listed as being the unnumbered edition, volume 1, and volume 2 all at the same time of the Tolkien and Modernity books. I've gone ahead and combined them before I realized what was occurring. I;m off to lunch and bloodwork. I will fix them when I get back.

reedit: Gets more interesting: http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=Tolkien+and+modernity

If no one gets a chance, I'll look at these later on.

Again: The volume 1 listed for this has got to be incorrect: http://www.librarything.com/work/10299763/editions

108alex-and-r
Sep 22, 2010, 6:29 am

109theapparatus
Sep 22, 2010, 9:48 am

>108 alex-and-r: Done.

Took me about 5 minutes to verify that they were the same work. Finally had to Google translate some Russian bookmark site just to confirm the title. Anyone else think that maybe we should start asking for a reason why?

110skittles
Edited: Sep 22, 2010, 10:40 am

#109: I don't need a reason, unless it is really obvious to me that it isn't the same work.

I trust the person who is making the request is making it because for some reason they want it done. Usually because it really needs combining. If it is a foreign language edition, they either have the language ability I don't have, they have the FL edition, or they've found a source saying it is the same work.

What are we going to say to them if we disagree? Wikipedia isn't a legitimate source? or Worldcat has it wrong? If you disagree with it, don't do it.

For me, the stakes aren't that high... if it is wrong, then someone will come along & say it is wrong, can you separate it?

It is not as if someone came up to you, pointed at another person & said, "Shoot Him!!" (not easily undone.)

They said, "Combine Them!" (easily undone)

111prosfilaes
Edited: Sep 24, 2010, 12:15 am

112r.orrison
Sep 24, 2010, 1:46 am

111: Done

113marq
Sep 24, 2010, 4:24 am


I have a problem separating this work:

http://www.librarything.com/work/21698

The Mahabharata is a huge Hindu epic poem composed by the semi-mythical Krishna Dvaipayana Vyasa. There are several short "retellings" of Mahabharata, two of which are by the American William Buck and another by the Indian freedom fighter and politician Chakravarti Rajagopalachari (C. Rajagopalachari).

These works are not translations of the Mahabharata but distinctly different works of abridgement and authorship.

It looks like someone has put Chakravarti Rajagopalachari as the author of an edition (by ISBN) by William Buck which has caused them to be combined.

I don't know how this can be fixed because the editions page does not list any editions but just comes up with an error.

114paulhurtley
Sep 24, 2010, 7:30 am

>113 marq: done - used combine/separate from the author page

115skittles
Edited: Sep 24, 2010, 7:32 am

go to the author page, where the books are listed.

in the group there is an title missing listing. That may be causing the problem & I'm going to separate it.

........................................

well, the title missing can't be separated because it comes up, no work found.

separated .. M on the battlefield & it separated nicely, so separating can be done.

I do not see any listings with William Buck, but I'll probably check the WB page to see if any are there.

ETA: Paul got to it.

116marq
Sep 24, 2010, 8:12 am

Thanks. It looks perfect now.

117spiphany
Sep 26, 2010, 1:11 pm

Please forgive a newbie's mistakes here...

I was trying to clean up the works for Emine Sevgi Özdamar (http://www.librarything.com/author/zdamareminesevgi) and I'm afraid I've messed things up a bit..I accidently combined "Mother Tongue" with "Bridge of the Golden Horn" -- think I got the entries separated out again, but the entries I split off aren't showing up now? Can anyone help?

Also, there are still books showing up under some of the other versions of her name, is there any way to put them together?

118Nicole_VanK
Edited: Sep 26, 2010, 1:20 pm

It happens. Not reappearing is usually just a caching issue. You can - usually - force caching by clicking the members counter on any work page. (And since some time we can fortunately find separations in the helpers log (in zeitgeist).

So, don't worry. I think I forced them all to reappear and somebody recombined them.

119AnnaClaire
Sep 26, 2010, 1:37 pm

These two need to be combined:
http://www.librarything.com/work/10454959
http://www.librarything.com/work/2685835

It would also be nice if it updated sooner rather than later. I combined several items into the first version, and there should be four copies (one of the combined-from items did indeed have two copies, but the current number isn't correct).

120Nicole_VanK
Sep 26, 2010, 1:44 pm

> 119: Done, and the combined counter says 32 members now.

121thornton37814
Sep 27, 2010, 9:18 am

I am not sure how to combine these since the first lacks the author:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3774411
http://www.librarything.com/work/814997

122SimoneA
Sep 27, 2010, 9:41 am

#121 done
If you want to be able to do this yourself: you can manually add the work without author to your library. Then, you edit this book to include the proper author ( I usually also make a small change to the title, like a ' or ), otherwise strange things happen sometimes), go to the author page, and combine. Then, you delete the work again and it's done!

123AnnaClaire
Sep 27, 2010, 9:47 am

>120 Nicole_VanK:
Weirdly, it still shows up in my recommendations, even though my copy is now combined into the same work as the recommendation (I just double-checked).

124Nicole_VanK
Sep 27, 2010, 9:48 am

> 123: Probably a caching issue.

125AnnaClaire
Sep 27, 2010, 11:48 am

Either way, I found another pair (unrelated to the mis-cached Rowan pair):
http://www.librarything.com/work/8110891
http://www.librarything.com/work/9587608

126skittles
Sep 27, 2010, 11:51 am

#125: done

128SimoneA
Sep 28, 2010, 2:57 am

#127 done

129theapparatus
Sep 28, 2010, 6:15 pm

If anyone gets bored, I;ve been noticing the works of James C. Dobson has a lot of 1 and 2 copies records floating around. I;ve done a bunch but others exist.

1322wonderY
Sep 29, 2010, 3:45 pm

Yes, and done.

133jasbro
Oct 1, 2010, 8:17 am

Please combine:

The Adventure (Jerry Sittser) / Early Will I Seek Thee (Eugenia Price), in a "Two Books in One" edition

http://www.librarything.com/work/1911163, and
http://www.librarything.com/work/5612163

Thank you!

134r.orrison
Oct 1, 2010, 8:27 am

133: Done.

136theapparatus
Edited: Oct 1, 2010, 11:08 am

135: I got them.

edit: Got them. Doing some random ones with this title via a search for Green Egg. I'll have to go to lunch shortly though.

137DemetriosX
Oct 1, 2010, 11:33 am

Here's a couple that should help clear up John Maddox Roberts.

First we have
http://www.librarything.com/work/7599977
http://www.librarything.com/work/929945

I'm nearly certain this is right since this is tagged read 1990 and that was the year SPQR I was published, so it's unlikely to be one of the later ones.

Then we have
http://www.librarything.com/work/7769283
http://www.librarything.com/work/978

which are by the historian JM Roberts. I checked the editions for the properly assigned English book and found exactly same Italian title as is assigned to John M. Roberts (who has been combined, for better or worse, with John Maddox Roberts).

138Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 1, 2010, 11:51 am

> 137: Connected the second set. Since there is a John Maddox Roberts and a John Morris Roberts, neither "John M." nor "J.M." can be combined with either of them. So I've done some author separating as well.

The first set is proving troublesome... ;-)

139prosfilaes
Oct 1, 2010, 9:33 pm

There's a book called Yanked!, in a series David Brin's Out of Time, that's both under the author's name and David Brin's. Can someone combine them?

http://www.librarything.com/work/158082
http://www.librarything.com/work/3266576

140prosfilaes
Edited: Oct 2, 2010, 12:09 am

Can someone please combine Book 0: An Introduction to Traveller?

http://www.librarything.com/work/9766192
http://www.librarything.com/work/4076428
http://www.librarything.com/work/5371118

Edit: And some more Traveller:

101 Vehicles
http://www.librarything.com/work/1106344
http://www.librarything.com/work/5040413
http://www.librarything.com/work/3347603

Adventure 3: Twilight's Peak
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074241
http://www.librarything.com/work/5625372
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492851

And for extra pain, every single edition of this work should be a separate work, that will need combining (and will be combinable.) I could separate them but (a) they'll should all be combined, and I can't do that (though I could list them) and I don't want to lose them by separating them and (b) I'm running away from that like a coward.

http://www.librarything.com/work/9803171

141Felagund
Oct 2, 2010, 3:49 am

>139 prosfilaes:, 140
Done. http://www.librarything.com/work/9803171 must have been split by someone else, I'm only seeing one single edition there.

142fdholt
Edited: Oct 2, 2010, 4:10 pm

Trying the post again - it disappeared the first time.

#141

http://www.librarything.com/work/9803171/editions

It shows the mess.

And #140

(b) is an appropriate response!

Edited for typo

143EveleenM
Oct 2, 2010, 5:23 pm

#140, 141, 142
http://www.librarything.com/work/9803171/editions
Sorry, I separated those, but then had ISP problems before I got around to reporting in. prosfilaes, you said they'll should all be combined, but I only saw a couple that actually needed combining. Are there more listed under some other author?

144theapparatus
Oct 3, 2010, 2:35 pm

I;m leaving for the day. I had this tab open if anyone wants to run through. I see a few that probably should be combined:

http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=forums&sort=title

tyhanks,
-drmike

145Margrieteke
Oct 3, 2010, 3:47 pm

Could someone combine those?
How to Complete Your UCAS Application, 2011 Entry
http://www.librarything.com/work/10048515
and
http://www.librarything.com/work/2892653

HOW TO COMPLETE YOUR UCAS APPLICATION 2008
http://www.librarything.com/work/5064704
and
http://www.librarything.com/work/4902467

50 Reasons to Buy Fair Trade
http://www.librarything.com/work/2493059
and
http://www.librarything.com/work/5337894

Thank you!

146skittles
Oct 3, 2010, 4:25 pm

#145: done

147prosfilaes
Oct 3, 2010, 6:21 pm

#143: Oh yes. Let me provide a list for the ten or so, and let me get back to the rest later:

Supplement 1: 1001 Characters
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492946
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074271
http://www.librarything.com/work/5080396
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492946

Adventure 7: Broadsword
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492942
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074249
http://www.librarything.com/work/1805747

Book 7: Merchant Prince
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492941
http://www.librarything.com/work/2710735
(I believe http://www.librarything.com/work/10473519 is a distinct work, not a reprint of the 1970s editions.)

Adventure 11: Murder on Arcturus Station
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492940
http://www.librarything.com/work/8629954
http://www.librarything.com/work/5625387
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074265

Adventure 10: Safari Ship
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492939
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074263
http://www.librarything.com/work/5625384

Double Adventure 3: The Argon Gambit / Death Station
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074072
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492938

Supplement 8: Library Data (A-M)
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492937
http://www.librarything.com/work/3347453
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074285
http://www.librarything.com/work/10338986

Adventure 12: Secret of the Ancients
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492936
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074267

Adventure 5: Trillion Credit Squadron
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492934
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074245
http://www.librarything.com/work/4076710

Adventure 4: Leviathan
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492933
http://www.librarything.com/work/4074243
http://www.librarything.com/work/8902114

Book 1: Characters and Combat
http://www.librarything.com/work/5229132
http://www.librarything.com/work/10498467

Boxed Set 1-3
http://www.librarything.com/work/1881712
http://www.librarything.com/work/8510546
(It's debatable, but I'm pretty sure they just ran out of space in older versions of the LT code to list all the books in the first one.)

Book 2: Starships
http://www.librarything.com/work/2731401
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492912
http://www.librarything.com/work/6059922

Books 0-8: The Classic Books
http://www.librarything.com/work/984829
http://www.librarything.com/work/3914787

Book 3: Worlds and Adventures
http://www.librarything.com/work/6059929
http://www.librarything.com/work/10498469

Book 4: Mercenary
http://www.librarything.com/work/8437620
http://www.librarything.com/work/4076415
http://www.librarything.com/work/2710774
http://www.librarything.com/work/1558351
http://www.librarything.com/work/10492932

Unfortunately, the well is far from being exhausted here, but that's where I'll stop for today, in hopes that someone will have the patience to put them together.

148EveleenM
Oct 3, 2010, 6:57 pm

#147
Supplement 1: 1001 Characters
Adventure 7: Broadsword
Book 7: Merchant Prince
Adventure 11: Murder on Arcturus Station
Adventure 10: Safari Ship
are done. I'm stopping for tonight.

149SimoneA
Oct 4, 2010, 4:37 am

I've done the rest of #147.
While doing that I came across this author http://www.librarything.com/author/millermarcw, which has a Marc Miller without initial combined into it. While most of the books of Marc Miller are actually from Marc W. Miller, a lot are not. What to do?

150Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 4, 2010, 4:42 am

> 149: Separate it. While every "Marc W. Miller" is a "Marc Miller" the same apparently doesn't go in reverse. So, having those "Marc Miller"s show up on the "Marc W. Miller" page is simply bad data.

152skittles
Oct 4, 2010, 8:13 pm

#151: done

1532wonderY
Oct 5, 2010, 9:44 am

Argh!

I just added a title, and was cleaning up the entry, because the author’s name was entered wrong – Fabinyi rather than Fabiny. - Made the correct name canonical. I found the author has 4 works in the system. The title of mine was already entered in German, so I combined the two, and they both disappeared from the author’s page.
http://www.librarything.com/author/fabinytibor

Searching from my catalog, I can find the work and an alternate author page with just the one title.
http://www.librarything.com/work/book/65428151
http://www.librarything.com/author/fabinyitibor

Tried to recombine the authors and the system says the second one no longer exists.
Adding the same canonical name to the other page did not help.

Do I just wait for the system to catch up, or is there something else I can do?

154jasbro
Oct 5, 2010, 11:13 am

@134> Thank you, r.orrison!

Next, can someone please combine:

Good Omens(Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman):

http://www.librarything.com/work/5794,
http://www.librarything.com/work/8462209, and
http://www.librarything.com/work/10400774

I'm afraid this one's beyond me. Thank you!

155r.orrison
Edited: Oct 5, 2010, 11:18 am

157r.orrison
Oct 6, 2010, 7:28 am

156: Done

159SimoneA
Oct 6, 2010, 8:05 am

158 is done

161theapparatus
Oct 6, 2010, 3:49 pm

I;m doing my 144 up there.

162TineOliver
Oct 6, 2010, 6:33 pm

160: Done

163alex-and-r
Oct 7, 2010, 6:25 am

Somehow authors combining not working for me and I can't combine http://www.librarything.com/author/886665426 with http://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonrobertcharles&norefer=1 and subsequently I can't combine http://www.librarything.com/work/10509884/book/65487535 with http://www.librarything.com/work/49096

Can someone try it for me?

164r.orrison
Oct 7, 2010, 6:36 am

163: Author combining is broken, and reported as a bug. I've combined the works for you.

165Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 7, 2010, 6:46 am

> 163 / 164: That is - combining is broken for large author pages, for small ones it still works.

167SimoneA
Oct 7, 2010, 9:12 am

166 is done

1682wonderY
Oct 7, 2010, 10:04 am

Just for information's sake, on #153, I finally did a manual entry of the book in question and it added to the correct page.

170r.orrison
Oct 8, 2010, 1:41 am

169: Done.

171marq
Oct 8, 2010, 2:36 am

http://www.librarything.com/work/966544/editions/65523340

Poems of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

needs a bit of work.

My copy with ISBN 0890095272 picks up a cover image of The Complete Guide to Airbrushing. I suspect a case of misprinted or duplicated ISBN.

172Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 8, 2010, 6:15 am

I just checked, and my own copy of the airbrush book does have that ISBN. Same ISBN on two works. It shouldn't happen, but occasionally it does. Not much any of us can do.

p.s.: you can deselect that cover though.

173Nicole_VanK
Oct 8, 2010, 6:20 am

> 171: That work does need a lot of fixing though. If I look at editions I don't just see various vol. 1 through whatever in the mix, but also a jumble of "Selected Poems", "Complete Poems", etc.

I don't feel qualified to do it. Anybody?

175r.orrison
Oct 8, 2010, 7:09 am

174: Done

177r.orrison
Oct 8, 2010, 9:50 am

176: Done

179jasbro
Edited: Oct 8, 2010, 10:00 pm

@155> Honestly? I'm not sure how I put in those URLs so that they aren't links. I go to the page, highlight contents of the address bar, right click to copy, then right click to paste in my post. Seems like sometimes they come out as links, and other times they don't. Is there a whiz-bang technopro among LT Combiners who can tell me what everybody else is doing diffferent? Thanks!

180TineOliver
Oct 8, 2010, 9:48 pm

178: Done

182theapparatus
Oct 9, 2010, 6:10 pm

>181 prosfilaes:: Really think that's a bad idea. #2 and #3 are for different editions and at least with RPG's, different editions are completely different works. I know many times different editions get combined but with RPG material, that's usually not good. We went over this with the TSR stuff a few months ago when I went through it and discovered people had combined 1st edition works with 4th editions works. That was fun.

I don;t have a clue as to what the first one is,

183prosfilaes
Oct 9, 2010, 6:41 pm

#182: I didn't notice that. I put the different editions in the titles to make it clear these are separate works despite being done by the same person.

184theapparatus
Oct 9, 2010, 6:57 pm

That's not a good idea either actually. At least I don;t like seeing edition numbers in titles. I;m kind of anal about that. A title is a title. I better place would be as a Disambiguation notice within the common knowledge area. That's where you leave those types of notes.

Matter of opinion really.

185prosfilaes
Oct 9, 2010, 7:11 pm

I think that Title, Author should always be distinct. If GURPS Lite by Sean Punch is a different work than GURPS Lite by Sean Punch, we should express that in some way in the title.

186suzzyque
Edited: Oct 9, 2010, 7:20 pm

Hi, I'm new so please bear with me. I want to report what I believe to be a bug and I think this is where to do it, but I'm not up on all the 'lingo' you seasoned people use.

I have the paperback book "Twilight" by Stephenie Meyer in my collection. In my books, it shows the correct cover, but an entirely different book and author. It shows the title "Disinherited" by Dale Van Every, an Avon mmpb, 1967. The ISBN shown on my book page appears to be the same for both books, 0316015849.

Hope this is enough info to get this issue straightened out. Please let me know if you need anything else from me.

187bell7
Oct 9, 2010, 7:23 pm

Hello, you're absolutely right that appears to be an ISBN for both titles. I tried to see if I can separate out your book from Disinherited, but I couldn't see which one was *your* book (ie., actually Twilight). If you go back and edit the title and author and any other info that's not correct for your book, I may be able to spot it (or it might just recombine into the proper work).

Let me know how it works and I'll see if I can work it out from your library page again. :)

188suzzyque
Oct 9, 2010, 7:33 pm

Bell7, thanks. I edited it as best I could, and for the things I didn't know, the LC and Dewey numbers, I just erased the existing info. After editing, the things I changed are now correct under book details, but the work details still shows the other book's info, which includes only 1 review and 28 members owning the book!

So, once more, please let me know if I can do anything to help.

189bell7
Oct 9, 2010, 7:37 pm

I looked at it, and it seems that your copy has migrated itself over to Twilight. It's showing that we share 13 instead of 12 works as before, and your member name and book info comes up with the work 31,000+ members own. Does it look right from your end now?

190suzzyque
Oct 9, 2010, 7:49 pm

From Main Page, the heading shows the author is Stephenie Meyer (otherwise under Dale Van Every) and the 28 members, 1 review, popularity 238,792, 3 1/2 stars (3.67) and conversations as none. The tags and recommendations are obviously for the other book, but there is one review for Twilight. Strange.

The book details tab shows everything is ok, but the work details tab shows all the incorrect or other book's info still.

191bell7
Edited: Oct 9, 2010, 8:02 pm

Can you paste a link so I can try to see what you're seeing? You should be able to copy and paste it right from the top of the page when you're looking at the work directly into a message.

This is what I'm getting for your work: http://www.librarything.com/work/8384326/book/65565233

The only other thing I can think of is a caching issue where the webpage has to kind of play "catch up" to get the numbers right and it might look alright tomorrow. You're still showing up in the "recently added" for http://www.librarything.com/work/1082657/editions (The Disinherited), but as far as I can tell that's normal even if you delete a book right afterwards.

192suzzyque
Oct 9, 2010, 8:10 pm

193bell7
Oct 9, 2010, 8:25 pm

I added it to my own library to see if I can replicate, and I can. The book I added and edited didn't switch over right away after the edit, but now it's showing in the larger, correct Twilight work: http://www.librarything.com/work/8384326

I can tell it switched alright because when I'm on this work page - http://www.librarything.com/work/1082657 - the "Add to your library" and "Add to your wishlist" buttons are now prominent on the top instead of "my" edition's information.

The numbers and other info may just take some time to catch up. When I searched your library for "disinherited," nothing came up, but Twilight does, and it brings me to the *real* book when I click on the link now, instead of to The Disinherited like it did before.

Hope that helps...

194suzzyque
Oct 9, 2010, 8:30 pm

It'll probably work itself out by tomorrow, like you said. I'll check on it again later. I'm not going to put too much into it right now. Thanks for all the help!

195bell7
Oct 9, 2010, 8:44 pm

You're welcome, I hope it sorts itself out tomorrow. If not, feel free to post again and someone who has more tricks up their sleeve than I may be able to sort it out...

196theapparatus
Oct 9, 2010, 9:02 pm

Greets:

I;m going home for the night. I made it up to issue 90 or so. Can someone please finish checking these and combining what I hadn't hit yet?

http://www.librarything.com/series/Knights+of+the+Dinner+Table

Thanks,
-drzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................

197bell7
Oct 9, 2010, 9:13 pm

>196 theapparatus: I did a few more, but couldn't get to #160 and 145.

198Heather19
Oct 10, 2010, 2:11 am

I just want to check before I combine.... Books that are re-published with different titles, but are the exact same books (even says so on the author's website), those should be combined, right?

And related question.... what will happen with the title? Since *both* titles are "correct", should we just let majority-rule and empty the Canonical Title, or what?

199Nicole_VanK
Edited: Oct 10, 2010, 3:26 am

Books that are re-published with different titles, but are the exact same books (even says so on the author's website), those should be combined, right?

Yes. (Similar for parallel editions with different titles).

what will happen with the title?

In principle the most popular simply wins out. I usually don't interfere. But there's some discussion about this. Some works even have canonical titles in "Title 1 / Title 2" format - personally I dislike that practice.

200theapparatus
Oct 10, 2010, 8:51 am

And that's it for #28. On to #29:

http://www.librarything.com/topic/100266

201skittles
Oct 10, 2010, 9:20 am

When I come across a republished work, I often put "The Adventures of BarkingMatt (republished as The BarkingMatt Adventures)" or "The Wonderfulness of Heather (originally titled Heather Wonderful)"

It isn't pretty.

But, not everyone is as cognizant of the book/publishing world as we are.

It is 'bad enough' that publishers reissue books with new covers, although I can understand it. But when they republish a book & give it a new title, I get irritated. I've seen books reissued with the old title in small print on the cover, but those instances are rare.

If people are going to use LT as a resource, then we need to give them the best info possible.

What happens if they pull up a list of books by a specific author (& it is split correctly) and they just use that list? Then they will see a book with an 'alternate title' and get it, not realizing that they already had it or read it?

When I edit my book entries, I usually remove the subtitles or title extensions. But I also add alternate titles or I put revised edition, but on my works, to make them specific.

IMO, Canonical titles should be short but complete, helping LTers to find the works they want, completely. The titles & disambiguation notices should also help combiners to combine & separate works easily.

202theapparatus
Oct 10, 2010, 9:23 am

"Canonical titles should be short but complete"

I was wondering that as well. I see a lot of subtitles within the title field, both canonical and working. Always goes off the end...

203jjwilson61
Oct 10, 2010, 12:56 pm

According to Tim, Canonical Title should not be used to force one of a set of alternate titles. The standard example being The Philosopher's Stone/The Sorcerer's Stone. Our instructions are that the most popular title should win out and CN only used when something goes badly wrong.

Some good alternate views have been expressed here, but I'd like to get Tim's take on it before a lot of people start setting the CN field.

204theapparatus
Oct 10, 2010, 1:16 pm

>"badly wrong"

That's why I was wondering about the subtitles. When I see a title like this:

"My day: Where I wrote up, went potty, took a shower, brushed my teeth, got dressed, decided the heck with it and went back to bed, got back up...."

Seen a few of those lately. I;ve been shortening it down to My Day unless the author has another title with the same starting bit. Haven't seen any of those although I;ve been looking.

206r.orrison
Oct 11, 2010, 6:53 am

205: Combined, though there are quite a few copies of an omnibus edition of Day of the Owl / Equal Danger combined in there that need to be separated out. I'll have to leave that to someone who can tell what the Italian (?) editions are.

207SimoneA
Oct 11, 2010, 7:51 am

205,206: I separated out the double books. I don't think the Italian and English ones are the same, so I have left them separate for someone who knows better.

209supersidvicious
Oct 11, 2010, 8:06 am

>206 r.orrison:
the right author is anyway Leonardo Sciascia, Einaudi is the name of the book editor
thx

210SimoneA
Oct 11, 2010, 9:05 am

212theapparatus
Edited: Oct 13, 2010, 1:33 pm

I'll get 211.

There's already a new thread for these: http://www.librarything.com/topic/100266

edit: Done. I see some more records for the work. I'll combine them as well.

reedit: I need to fix the author as well.

And: I can;t fix the author. Most of the works are under Wilson. I can;t get it to be under Garth A. Wilson, the actual author. Can someone else give this a try?

213Nicole_VanK
Nov 5, 2010, 5:31 pm

Actually we're already at #30 : http://www.librarything.com/topic/101474#2278383