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kidzdoc's No Fluff Zone, Act 9

This is a continuation of the topic kidzdoc's No Fluff Zone, Act 8.

This topic was continued by kidzdoc's No Fluff Zone, Act 10.

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1kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 31, 9:58am Top



The High Museum of Art in Midtown Atlanta, one of the leading art museums in the Southeast, which is part of the Woodruff Arts Center, along with Atlanta Symphony Hall and the Alliance Theatre. The High Museum was founded in 1905, and the new building, sponsored by Coca-Cola magnate Robert Woodruff and designed by Richard Meier, opened in 1983.




Currently reading:

    

Reservoir 13 by Jon McGregor
Autumn by Josep Pla
Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi
The Gene: An Intimate History by Siddhartha Mukherjee

Completed books: (TBR = book acquired prior to 1/1/16)

January:
1. Nutshell by Ian McEwan
2. A Question of Power by Bessie Head TBR
3. The Assault by Harry Mulisch
4. Madame Verona Comes Down the Hill by Dimitri Verlhurst

February:

March:
5. The Speed of Light by Javier Cercas
6. I Am Not Your Negro by James Baldwin

April:
7. The Tidal Zone by Sarah Moss
8. A Horse Walks Into a Bar by David Grossman
9. The Plague (after La Peste) by Albert Camus, adapted by GregorNeil Bartlett
10. Mirror, Shoulder, Signal by Dorthe Nors
11. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead by Tom Stoppard
12. Fever Dream by Samanta Schweblin
13. Swallowing Mercury by Wioletta Greg

May:
14. Lonely Planet Pocket Bilbao & San Sebastian (Travel Guide)
15. Hadriana in All My Dreams by René Depestre
16. A Basque Diary: Living in Hondarribia by Alex Hallatt
17. We Should All Be Feminists by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
18. The Basque History of the World by Mark Kurlansky

June:
19. Colchester Castle by Colchester Borough Council
20. From the Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler by E.L. Konigsburg
21. Human Acts by Han Kang
22. The Boy Who Stole Attila's Horse by Iván Rapila
23. The Basque Hotel by Robert Laxalt
24. The Plimsoll Line by Juan Gracia Armendáriz
25. An Octoroon by Branden Jacobs-Jenkins
26. The Octoroon by Dion Boucicault
27. Woyzeck by Georg Büchner, in a new version by Jack Thorne
28. Rick Steves Snapshot Basque Country: France & Spain by Rick Steves
29. Rain Over Madrid by Andrés Barba

July:
30. Looking for Transwonderland: Travels in Nigeria by Noo Saro-Wiwa
31. Autopsy of a Father by Pascale Kramer
32. The Life of Galileo by Bertolt Brecht

August:
33. The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead

2kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:01am Top



Classic 20th Century Novels from the African Diaspora

Betsey Brown by Ntozake Shange
Blind Man with a Pistol by Chester Himes
The Emigrants by George Lamming
The Famished Road by Ben Okri
If Beale Street Could Talk by James Baldwin
Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (re-read)
The Marrow of Tradition by Charles W. Chesnutt
Maps by Nuruddin Farah
Moses, Man of the Mountain by Zora Neale Hurston
Native Son by Richard Wright
Petals of Blood by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o
A Question of Power by Bessie Head
Sozaboy by Ken Saro-Wiwa
Texaco by Patrick Chamoiseau

Notable 21st Century Literature from the African Diaspora

Abyssinian Chronicles by Moses Isegawa
Blackass by A. Igoni Barrett
Black Deutschland by Darryl Pinckney
The Book of Memory by Petina Gappah
Claire of the Sea Light by Edwidge Danticat
That Deadman Dance by Kim Scott
The Drift Latitudes by Jamal Mahjoub
Fifteen Dogs by André Alexis
Foreign Gods, Inc. by Okey Ndibe
Ghana Must Go by Taiye Selasi
The Good Lord Bird by James McBride
Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
Juice! by Ishmael Reed
Ladivine by Marie NDiaye
Nervous Conditions by Tsitsi Dangarembga
Pym by Mat Johnson
Someone Knows My Name by Lawrence Hill
The Turner House by Angela Flournoy
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead
Wading Home: A Novel of New Orleans by Rosalyn Story
Welcome to Braggsville by T. Geronimo Johnson
Zone One by Colson Whitehead

Nonfiction from the African Diaspora

Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates
Beyond Black and White: From Civil Rights to Barack Obama by Manning Marable
Black in Latin America by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
Changing My Mind: Occasional Essays by Zadie Smith
Darkwater: Voices from Within the Veil by W.E.B. Du Bois
Democracy in Black: How Race Still Enslaves the American Soul by Eddie S. Glaude, Jr.
Going to Meet the Man by James Baldwin
If They Come in the Morning … : Voices of Resistance, edited by Angela Y. Davis
In My Father's House: Africa in the Philosophy of Culture by K. Anthony Appiah
Known and Strange Things: Essays by Teju Cole
Letter to Jimmy by Alain Mabanckou
The Lights of Pointe-Noire by Alain Mabanckou
The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander
More Than Just Race: Being Black and Poor in the Inner City by William Julius Wilson
A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music by George E. Lewis
Respect Yourself: Stax Records and the Soul Explosion by Robert Gordon
Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi
Tradition and the Black Atlantic: Critical Theory in the African Diaspora by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.
The Wretched of the Earth by Frantz Fanon

Autobiographies, Biographies and Memoirs from the African Diaspora

Aké: The Years of Childhood by Wole Soyinka
The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama
Black Boy by Richard Wright
Dreams from My Father by Barack Obama
Frantz Fanon: A Biography by David Macey
I Never Had it Made by Jackie Robinson
The Last Holiday: A Memoir by Gil Scott-Heron
Long Walk to Freedom by Nelson Mandela
Mingus Speaks by John F. Goodman
Street Poison: The Biography of Iceberg Slim by Justin Gifford
Sweet Thunder: The Life and Times of Sugar Ray Robinson by Wil Haygood
Zenzele: A Letter for My Daughter by J. Nozipo Maraire

3kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:04am Top



2017 Booker Prize longlist: To be announced 27 July 2017

2017 Man Booker International Prize longlist
(*shortlisted title):



*Mathias Énard (France), Charlotte Mandell, Compass
Wioletta Greg (Poland), Eliza Marciniak, Swallowing Mercury
*David Grossman (Israel), Jessica Cohen, A Horse Walks Into a Bar
Stefan Hertmans (Belgium), David McKay, War and Turpentine
*Roy Jacobsen (Norway), Don Bartlett, Don Shaw, The Unseen
Ismail Kadare (Albania), John Hodgson, The Traitor's Niche
Jon Kalman Stefansson (Iceland), Phil Roughton, Fish Have No Feet
Yan Lianke (China), Carlos Rojas, The Explosion Chronicles
Alain Mabanckou (France), Helen Stevenson, Black Moses
Clemens Meyer (Germany), Katy Derbyshire, Bricks and Mortar
*Dorthe Nors (Denmark), Misha Hoekstra, Mirror, Shoulder, Signal
*Amos Oz (Israel), Nicholas de Lange, Judas
*Samanta Schweblin (Argentina), Megan McDowell, Fever Dream

4kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:05am Top



Iberian Literature and Nonfiction

A Bad End by Fernando Royuela
The Calligraphy of Dreams by Juan Marsé
Catalonia: A Cultural History by Michael Eaude
The Dolls' Room by Llorenç Villalonga
Fado Alexandrino by António Lobo Antunes
The Gray Notebook by Josep Pla
The History of Catalonia by F. Xavier Hernàndez
The Inquisitors' Manual by António Lobo Antunes
Life Embitters by Josep Pla
Monastery by Eduardo Halfon
The New Spaniards by John Hooper
Obabakoak by Bernardo Atxaga
Paris by Marcos Giralt Torrente
Private Life by Josep Maria de Sagarra
The Selected Stories of Mercé Rodoreda
The Speed of Light by Javier Cercas
Things Look Different in the Light by Medardo Fraile
The Yellow Rain by Julio Llamazares

7kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:08am Top

Reading Globally

Quarter 1: Works by writers from the Benelux countries



The Assault by Harry Mulisch
The Darkroom of Damocles by Willem Frederik Hermans
Madame Verona Comes Down the Hill by Dimitri Verhulst
Rituals by Cees Nooteboom
Roads to Santiago by Cees Nooteboom
Three Bedrooms in Manhattan by Georges Simenon

Quarter 2: Travel writing by non-European and non-North American authors



The European Tribe by Caryl Phillips
Looking for Transwonderland: Travels in Nigeria by Noo Saro-Wiwa
One Day I Will Write About This Place: A Memoir by Binyavanga Wainaina

Quarter 3: Works by writers who write in what are considered minority languages within their own country

Quarter 4: Writers from the Scandinavian countries and associated territories

8kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:11am Top



Voices of Color/Social Justice

Al' America: Travels Through America's Arab and Islamic Roots by Jonathan Curiel
Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class by Owen Jones
A Crime So Monstrous: Face-to-Face with Modern-Day Slavery by E. Benjamin Skinner
Criminal of Poverty: Growing Up Homeless in America by Tiny, aka Lisa Gray-Garcia
To Die in Mexico: Dispatches from Inside the Drug War by John Gibler
Dying to Live: A Story of U.S. Immigration in an Age of Global Apartheid by Joseph Nevins
The Ethics of Identity by Kwame Anthony Appiah
Ethnicities: Children of Immigrants in America, edited by Rubén G. Rumbaut and Alejandro Portes
Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Matthew Desmond
For the Muslims: Islamophobia in France by Edwy Plenel
The Good Immigrant, edited by Nikesh Shukla
A History of Violence: Living and Dying in Central America by Óscar Martínez
The Honor Code: How Moral Revolutions Happen by Kwame Anthony Appiah
How Does it Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America by Moustafa Bayoumi
Howard Zinn on Race by Howard Zinn
Latino Americans: The 500-Year Legacy That Shaped a Nation by Ray Suarez
Latino Immigrants and the Transformation of the U.S. South by Mary E. Odem
Men Explain Things to Me by Rebecca Solnit
The Mosaic of Islam: A Conversation with Perry Anderson by Suleiman Mourad
The Muslims Are Coming!: Islamophobia, Extremism, and the Domestic War on Terror by Arun Kundnani
The Other Slavery: The Uncovered Story of Indian Enslavement in America by Andrés Reséndez
A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn
Rebel Music: Race, Empire, and the New Muslim Youth Culture by Hisham D. Aidi
Serve the People: Making Asian America in the Long Sixties by Karen L. Ishizuka
Trans: A Memoir by Juliet Jacques
Violent Borders: Refugees and the Right to Move by Reece Jones
We Are All Moors: Ending Centuries of Crusades Against Muslims and Other Minorities by Anouar Majid
We Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For: Inner Light in a Time of Darkness by Alice Walker
We Should All Be Feminists by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
What Everyone Needs to Know About Islam by John L. Esposito
Who Are We: And Should It Matter in the Twenty-First Century? by Gary Younge

9kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:15am Top

2017 Wellcome Book Prize longlist:



*How to Survive a Plague: The Inside Story of How Citizens and Science Tamed AIDS by David France
Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow by Yuval Noah Harari
*When Breath Becomes Air by Paul Kalanithi
*Mend the Living by Maylis de Kerangal (alternate title: The Heart: A Novel)
The Golden Age by Joan London
Cure: A Journey into the Science of Mind Over Body by Jo Marchant
*The Tidal Zone by Sarah Moss
*The Gene: An Intimate History by Siddhartha Mukherjee
The Essex Serpent by Sarah Perry
A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived: The Stories in Our Genes by Adam Rutherford
Miss Jane by Brad Watson
*I Contain Multitudes: The Microbes Within Us and a Grander View of Life by Ed Yong

*shortlisted title

2016 Wellcome Book Prize shortlist:



Playthings by Alex Pheby
It's All in Your Head by Suzanne O'Sullivan
The Last Act of Love by Cathy Rentzenbrink
Neurotribes by Steve Silberman
Signs for Lost Children by Sarah Moss
The Outrun by Amy Liptrot

2015 Wellcome Book Prize shortlist:



The Iceberg by Marion Coutts
Do No Harm by Henry Marsh
Bodies of Light by Sarah Moss
The Incredible Unlikeliness of Being by Alice Roberts
My Age of Anxiety by Scott Stossel
All My Puny Sorrows by Miriam Toews

10kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 11:20am Top

Planned Reads for July:

The Accordionist's Son by Bernardo Atxaga
Atlanta Noir, edited by Tayari Jones
Autopsy of a Father by Pascale Kramer
Another Day in the Death of America by Gary Younge
Black Moses by Alain Mabanckou
Dalila by Jason Donald
The Gene: An Intimate History by Siddharta Mukherjee
The Good Lord Bird by James McBride
Life Embitters by Josep Pla
The Life of Galileo by Bertolt Brecht
Looking for Transwonderland: Travels in Nigeria by Noo Saro-Wiwa
Pity and Terror: Picasso's Path to Guernica by Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía
Reservoir 13 by Jon McGregor
Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi
Swing Time by Zadie Smith

11kidzdoc
Jul 17, 11:22am Top



Feel free to enter, but please be sure to wear a hard hat, as this is an active construction site!

12Sakerfalcon
Jul 17, 11:26am Top

I'm first! Happy new thread! I hope we'll be able to meet up in late August - Bank Holiday Monday would be good for me (28th) as I'll be back from India but not yet at work.

13kidzdoc
Jul 17, 11:28am Top

>12 Sakerfalcon: Thanks, Claire! Let's plan to meet up on the 28th then. I haven't made any plans for London so far.

14katiekrug
Jul 17, 11:53am Top

Happy new thread, Darryl!

15kidzdoc
Jul 17, 12:11pm Top

As I mentioned at the end of my last thread my dear cousin Tina was visiting a cousin of hers (but not mine) in Atlanta, and she & I spent a lovely afternoon together in Midtown Atlanta. We first paid a visit to the High Museum of Art; I'm a member of the museum, and I can enter for free and obtain $5 guest passes, similar to what my membership to the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in NYC affords me. We saw three of the five temporary exhibitions, starting with Technicolor, an installation of six textiles and six ceramics by the Spanish artist Jaime Hayon, whose art work graces the MARTA Arts Center station, the one I use most days to go to and from work (the station is just behind the museum). Hayon's work is quirky and playful, and these pieces were specifically designed for the High by the artist. This exhibition is a temporary one, but the works will become part of the museum's 21st century design collection.

Some examples:











16kidzdoc
Jul 17, 12:22pm Top

The second exhibition at the High featured the work of the British photographer Paul Graham, titled The Whiteness of the Whale, which consisted of three of his bodies of work taken in various American cities between 1998-2011. Each set consisted of a series of photos, often in different settings, which contrasted the stark differences between race and social class in this country. I didn't take many photos, as I find it difficult to capture photographs of photographs, especially with my mobile phone's camera, but I did like the set that compared several photos of a distraught, mentally ill woman (who could have easily been mistaken for a man) in NYC with the views of a sunset in North Dakota:










17drneutron
Jul 17, 12:34pm Top

Happy new thread!

18kidzdoc
Jul 17, 12:35pm Top

We ended up saving the best for last, as the third exhibition at the High was definitely the best. It was titled Universal and Sublime: The Vessels of Magdalene Odundo, which featured terracotta vessels created by Magdalene Odundo, OBE, who was born in Kenya in 1950 and currently resides in the UK. I've never seen her work before, and I certainly would have remembered if I had, as her vessels were captivating and stunning in their texture and beauty. The photographs I took hardly do justice to them:















The exhibition also featured two sets of pink china dinner service that she created with images of her family, to contrast the ones that featured British families that her mother owned when she was a child in colonial Kenya:



Also included was a short film, which featured Ms Odundo in her studio creating a terracotta vessel, while describing her work and her life to an interviewer. The exhibition will be at the High Museum until October 15th, and I'll pay at least one more visit there between now and then.

19kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 1:40pm Top

After our visit to the High Museum Tina & I had a late lunch at Barcelona Wine Bar, a small chain of Spanish themed restaurants with locations in Atlanta, Boston, Connecticut, Philadelphia, Nashville, and metropolitan Washington, DC. We were both in the mood for paella, and we shared an excellent pan of paella mariscos, along with crispy pig's ears. If you haven't tried the latter you'll probably love it, as it tastes like a combination of bacon with pork cracklings. Barcelona Wine Bar is one of my favorite restaurants, but this was my first time visiting the relatively new location in the old Westside Ironworks building, located at the far end of my street in West Midtown.



20kidzdoc
Jul 17, 12:57pm Top

>14 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie! Will you be at home during the first half of September? If so maybe we could plan a day to meet up in NYC. I'll visit my parents in suburban Philadelphia from September 1-15.

>17 drneutron: Thanks, Jim!

21kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 1:19pm Top

I tried a new recipe the Sunday before last, Grilled Lemon Herb Mediterranean Chicken Salad, which I loved:





Here's the recipe, courtesy of Café Delites:

Ingredients
Marinade/Dressing:

2 tablespoons olive oil
juice of 1 lemon (1/4 cup fresh squeezed lemon juice)
2 tablespoons water
2 tablespoons red wine vinegar
2 tablespoons fresh chopped parsley
2 teaspoons dried basil
2 teaspoons garlic , minced
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 teaspoon salt
cracked pepper , to taste
(1 pound | 500 g) 4 skinless, boneless chicken thigh fillets (or chicken breasts)

Salad:

4 cups Romaine (or Cos) lettuce leaves, washed and dried
1 large cucumber, diced
2 Roma tomatoes, diced
1 red onion, sliced
1 avocado, sliced
1/3 cup pitted Kalamata olives (or black olives), sliced (optional)
Lemon wedges, to serve

Whisk together all of the marinade/dressing ingredients in a large jug. Pour out half of the marinade into a large, shallow dish. Refrigerate the remaining marinade to use as the dressing later.

Add the chicken to the marinade in the bowl; marinade chicken for 15-30 minutes (or up to two hours in the refrigerator if time allows). While waiting for the chicken, prepare all of the salad ingredients and mix in a large salad bowl.

Once chicken is ready, heat 1 tablespoon of oil in a grill pan or a grill plate over medium-high heat. Grill chicken on both sides until browned and completely cooked through.

Allow chicken to rest for 5 minutes; slice and arrange over salad. Drizzle salad with the remaining UNTOUCHED dressing. Serve with lemon wedges.
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I used at least twice as many sliced Kalamata olives as was called for in the recipe. I also used grape tomatoes instead of Roma tomatoes, and zucchini instead of cucumber, as you can see, along with cilantro instead of parsley. This turned out great, and the recipe makes six full servings of salad which I had multiple times for lunch and dinner last week, and for lunch just now (the first photo shows only half of the amount of salad). Now that it's summer in Hotlanta I prefer to have plenty of cold salads on hand, and this recipe will be added to my list of favorites.

22Berly
Jul 17, 1:24pm Top

D--And I see your new thread is off to a great start, with books, art, and food! What could be better? How are you enjoying The Gene? I have that one sitting by my night table. Have a great day!

23kidzdoc
Jul 17, 1:28pm Top

>22 Berly: Hi, Kim! I'll post my review of The Life of Galileo shortly, after I take a postprandial nap. I read the script this weekend, and Rhian, her husband and I saw it at The Young Vic in London early last month. I haven't read The Gene in nearly a month, but I'll get back into it later today. I'm enjoying it so far, and I did enjoy hearing the book's author, Siddhartha Mukherjee, speak about it at the Wellcome Book Prize Brunch in London this past spring.

24katiekrug
Jul 17, 1:28pm Top

>20 kidzdoc: - Yes, I'm around the first half of September. Other than Labor Day weekend, I have no plans and would love to meet up!

25kidzdoc
Jul 17, 1:30pm Top

>24 katiekrug: Great! We'll definitely have to get together, Katie.

26jessibud2
Jul 17, 2:16pm Top

Darryl, the contrast of the whiteness of the museum building against the deep blue sky background in >1 kidzdoc: is spectacular! Loved all the photos that followed too.

27torontoc
Jul 17, 3:42pm Top

The chicken salad looks great- I will have to try that recipe!

28Ameise1
Jul 17, 4:24pm Top

Congrats on your shiny new thread, Darryl. I love the art photos. I hope you have a wonderful time off work.

29kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 5:51pm Top

>26 jessibud2: Thanks, Shelley. I don't visit the High nearly as often as I should, considering that I've been a member for several years and that it's a short walk from where I live. I'll go back on Friday afternoon, to see several other exhibitions and attend that evening's jazz concert.

>27 torontoc: That chicken salad recipe is fabulous, Cyrel. I hope that you like it as much as I did. Needless to say it could easily be converted into a pescatarian, vegetarian or vegan dish.

>28 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. There will be more art work to come, as I'll return to the High and visit at least two more museums between now and next Friday.

30cameling
Jul 17, 5:55pm Top

Happy new thread, Darryl. Love all the pics from your visit to the High Museum of Art ..... (although I am wondering is there a Low Museum of Art). Looks like you had a lovely time with your cousin.

Coincidentally, I bought Life Embitters last weekend and it's on my TBR Tower. I'm planning for it to be my flight read during my next trip out to Asia in August. So I will be eyeing your thread more carefully to catch your review of it.

31kidzdoc
Jul 17, 6:02pm Top

>30 cameling: Ha! Thanks, Caroline. Fortunately Tina's visit came at a good time for me, and I was able to spend a very enjoyable afternoon with her. I usually see her once or twice a year, as she is very close to my parents and visits them nearly as frequently as I do (though not for the same length of time). I'll see her again at their house in September.

I've barely started Life Embitters, as I've only read the first story, but it was very enjoyable. I also have The Gray Notebook by Josep Pla, which I plan to read in August or September.

32jnwelch
Jul 17, 6:03pm Top

Happy New Thread, Darryl.

I enjoyed the High Museum a number of years ago (before we met you!). I want to get back there.

33kidzdoc
Jul 17, 6:04pm Top

>32 jnwelch: Thanks, Joe! I would love it if you & Debbi came to Atlanta!

34EBT1002
Jul 17, 6:54pm Top

Happy New Thread, Darryl. I'm already enjoying the visuals, most especially those vessels by Magdalene Odundo. I can well imagine that the photos don't do them justice but I can tell that they are stunning. I want to touch them.

And I will be trying the recipe in >21 kidzdoc:. Right up my alley.

35kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 17, 7:11pm Top

>34 EBT1002: Thanks, Ellen. Your comment about touching the vessels is spot on:



I'll pay another visit to that exhibition on Friday.

Several of my LT and non-LT friends posted appealing cold salad and foil recipes on my Facebook thread the weekend before last (special thanks to Deborah (Cariola)!), and I'll give at least one or two of them a try over the next two weeks. Tomorrow I'll make a shrimp boil in the oven, and I'll post the recipe here.

36EBT1002
Jul 17, 7:33pm Top

"Tomorrow I'll make a shrimp boil in the oven..." Ah, yum. Shrimp is one of the things I miss most since watching my cholesterol. I let myself indulge when I was in Louisiana in March but I mostly stay away from it. It's actually easier than it sounds since the prawns and shrimp to be had in this region, while good, are simply not the Gulf shrimp on which I was raised. Gulf shrimp is (are?) ambrosia.

>35 kidzdoc: I love that! Thanks for posting her sentiment. I took a pottery class when I was in graduate school and I remember loving the feel of the clay. I didn't stick with the activity (which I rather regret) but it was a fun semester. Graduate school was, of course, so cerebral. Throwing pots was sensuous. It was a wonderful juxtaposition. And I still have one pot that I made! I keep my collection of bookmarks in it. :-)

37kidzdoc
Jul 17, 9:17pm Top

Book #32: Life of Galileo by Bertolt Brecht

  

My rating:

The 16th & 17th Italian physicist and mathematician Galileo Galilei is widely considered to be the founder of modern science, due to his adoption of the scientific method in conducting experiments about gravity, motion and the movement of the planets in space, aided by the development of the telescope in the early 17th century. He also fell afoul of the Catholic Church during the Inquisition, due to his rejection of Aristotle's geocentric model in 1610, in which the earth was a fixed object around which the other planets, including the sun, revolved, in favor of the heliocentric model proposed by Nicolas Copernicus in 1543, which placed the sun at the center of the solar system. The Church opposed this pronouncement, as it apparently contradicted several Biblical passages that implied that the sun moved in space, cast doubt upon the location and existence of Heaven, and thus was a threat to Christianity and, more importantly, the authority of the Church during a period of widespread suffering and subjugation of millions of believers. Although the heliocentric model was confirmed by Jesuit astronomers who also had the benefit of using telescopes to confirm Galileo's findings the Church declared that heliocentrism was heretical in 1616, banned any publications that supported it, and Pope Paul V specifically ordered Galileo "to abstain completely from teaching or defending this doctrine and opinion or from discussing it...to abandon completely...the opinion that the sun stands still at the center of the world and the earth moves, and henceforth not to hold, teach, or defend it in any way whatever, either orally or in writing."

Galileo kept quiet from 1616 through 1624, after Maffeo Barberini, a mathematician, became the new pope, Urban VIII, in 1623. Galileo assumed that the pope would support heliocentrism, based on prior interactions with him, but Urban VIII, under pressure exerted by members of the Inquisition and Galileo's decision to publish his work in Italian, the language of the common people, was ultimately convinced to withdraw his support and protection of the famed mathematician. In 1632 Galileo was called to Rome to testify in front of the Inquistion, and once he arrived the following year he was found guilty of heresy. Under threat of torture and death he publicly recanted his heliocentric beliefs, and he was sentenced to house arrest for the remainder of his life. Although he was forbidden to write any works which fell afoul of the Church and despite going blind in 1638, Galileo did surreptitiously write a manuscript, Discourses and Mathematical Demonstrations Relating to Two New Sciences, which was published in the Netherlands to avoid censors, and became critical to the development of modern physics.

The German playwright Bertolt Brecht wrote Life of Galileo in 1938, while he lived in exile from Nazi Germany, which he fled in 1933 after Adolf Hitler rose to power. The play starts in 1610, as Galileo receives word of the newly invented telescope from a young Dutch man who wishes to study under him, and ends just prior to his death. At the time he was a professor at the University of Padua, whose salary did not meet his means, which forced him to take on students outside of the classroom in order to earn a decent living. Although he was well known and widely respected he, along with other modern scientists and thinkers, was viewed unfavorably by the Catholic hierarchy, but his position in the university afforded him the protection he needed to conduct his experiments. Brecht portrays Galileo as a man singularly driven to pursue Truth using the scientific method, irregardless of his daughter's future and happiness, the advice of others to avoid antagonizing the Church and members of the Inquisition, and his own health, as presumably his blindness was largely due to him repeatedly viewing the sun to study its position in space and the spots on its surface. It is not an anti-religious play, but one that contrasts science and reason with authority and dogmatism.

  

I read the script of Life of Galileo after I saw the production of it at The Young Vic in London last month, which was translated by John Willett, directed by Joe Wright, and starred Brendan Cowell as Galileo. Although the play was true to the act-less script it omitted one or two scenes, and featured several irreverent skits, including one particularly amusing one set to music. The round stage was surrounded by the audience, but several paying customers sat in the middle of the set, as actors moved around them, forcing them to move repeatedly throughout the performance.



Life of Galileo was a thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable performance, and after seeing three outstanding renditions of Bertolt Brecht's plays in London in the past nine months, The Threepenny Opera, The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui and Life of Galileo, I am eager to see the remainder of this brilliant playwright's works.

38kidzdoc
Jul 17, 9:28pm Top

>36 EBT1002: Gulf shrimp is (are?) ambrosia.

Yes! I would add scallops and lobster to that description, and you could easily make an argument for all seafood fitting into that category.

Throwing pots was sensuous. It was a wonderful juxtaposition. And I still have one pot that I made! I keep my collection of bookmarks in it. :-)

Nice! I am artistically challenged, as anything more complex than a stick figure is completely beyond my capability.

39torontoc
Jul 17, 10:23pm Top

>38 kidzdoc: actually learning to throw pots on a pottery wheel takes a lot of hand and arm control- it is very satisfying
I am not on Facebook so my suggestions for cold salads would come from Ottolenghi's cookbooks- I have tried some for them and they are great! I like Plenty More but you need a chopping assistant for a lot of the recipes in that book.

40kidzdoc
Jul 17, 10:47pm Top

>39 torontoc: Thanks for reminding me about Yotam Ottolenghi's cookbooks, Cyrel. I'll look through the ones I own for recipes later this week or next week.

41Sakerfalcon
Jul 18, 2:22am Top

Great photos from the museum, Darryl! It's nice that they have exhibitions by living artists rather than the usual dead masters (which are wonderful but we tend to see them too often and forget that new art is being made). Bank Holiday Monday sounds great, I'll put it in my diary.

42scaifea
Jul 18, 6:27am Top

Happy new thread, Darryl!

43FAMeulstee
Jul 18, 8:19am Top

Happy new thread, Darryl, it is moving fast!

Your thread topper looked a bit familiar, as Richard Meier made the winning design for the City Hall in The Hague. At the time of the contest my father was working for the city of The Hague and I just started working for the IT department of the city, so I could follow it from near.

Thanks for sharing the pictures of your museum visit. All three expositions look great, I will keep Magdalene Odundo in mind, hopefully I can see some of her work someday.

44PaulCranswick
Jul 18, 11:04am Top

Happy new thread, Darryl

45kidzdoc
Jul 18, 2:07pm Top

Happy Tuesday, everyone! The remainder of my summer holiday plans are now set, after I found out this weekend that I'll be off for a mind boggling 40 days in a row, August 12 through September 21st. After my trip to Edinburgh (August 18-25) and London (August 25-30) I'll flying to Philadelphia on September 1, travel from there to Chicago on September 15 for this year's American Academy of Pediatrics National Conference & Exhibition that starts the following day, and fly back to Atlanta on September 19. I won't go to Pittsburgh for my medical school class's 20th year reunion, as it unfortunately falls on the same weekend as the AAP conference. Hopefully I can meet up with LTers in Philadelphia and NYC during the first two weeks in September when I haven't made plans with my family.

>41 Sakerfalcon: Thanks, Claire. I agree, it was particularly nice to see three exhibitions by artists who are in the height of their active careers. There is one additional temporary exhibition by a living artist, Ashley Bryan, an African American writer and illustrator of children's books who is apparently still active at the age of 94, along with an exhibition of 250 prints by Andy Warhol, one of Pittsburgh's favorite sons. I'll see both of those exhibitions on Friday afternoon, before that evening's free jazz concert at the High.

>42 scaifea: Thanks, Amber!

>43 FAMeulstee: Good eye, Anita! Yes, there is definitely a lot of similarity between the High Museum of Art and City Hall in The Hague. Richard Meier also designed the Museu d'Art Contemporani de Barcelona (MACBA), which also resembles the High and The Hague City Hall. I visited MACBA in 2014 and 2015.



The photo I posted of the High shows only one of the three buildings that comprise it, as it's a relatively large museum:



I would also like to see more of Magdalene Odundo's work. According to her website, these are the museums that currently feature exhibitions of her pottery:

The High Museum, Atlanta. Universal and Sublime: The Vessels of Magdalene Odundo, June 24 - October 15, 2017

Things of Beauty Growing: British Studio Pottery. Yale Center for British Art - September 14 - December 3, 2017

>44 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. Interestingly there was an exhibition of Magdalene Odundo's work at The Hepworth Wakefield, which closed exactly one month ago after a two month stay. I don't suppose you saw it while you were there?

46ChelleBearss
Jul 18, 6:18pm Top

Happy new thread! So many great photos here!

47msf59
Jul 18, 7:03pm Top

Happy new thread, Darryl! Loving these vacation photos. Hope work hasn't been too grueling. Fingers crossed.

48Ireadthereforeiam
Edited: Jul 19, 4:02am Top

>6 kidzdoc: All of your Rise of Populism and Related Current Affairs section have appeal. Especially
Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild, and White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America by Nancy Isenberg.

>21 kidzdoc: Yum!! That looks fantastic. And fresh, and crunchy.... :)

ETA: from the last threat, the Peruvian octopus at the space ship restaurant sounds incredible. Maybe not something I would go for....but I wouldst sneeze at a try! Those seats that look like poached eggs....do people sit on them to eat dinner? Or to have pre-diner drinks on?

And, re: #171 from your last thread, where you were talking about your ID badges, so that patients know who they are talking with. I think they are a great idea, really fantastic. As a patient, who was sometimes drug-addled, it is good to know exactly who is who. I recall asking the cleaner a medical question!!?

49laytonwoman3rd
Jul 19, 8:32am Top

Gorgeous, those Odundo vessels. Some of them have verrrry interesting human characteristics, don't you think? And of course, anyone who remembers watching Demi Moore throwing pots in Ghost knows how sensual wet clay can be. I'm just utterly awed by the technique that can turn that slippery glossy stuff into a desired shape and keep it there. I've watched many videos of artists at work at the wheel, and there's no doubt in my mind that magic is involved.

50kidzdoc
Jul 19, 9:59am Top

I have a busy day planned after two very lazy and unproductive ones. I'll join five friends from work for lunch at Bistro Niko, a French bistro in Atlanta's Buckhead neighborhood, and three other work mates and I will meet tonight for pintxos at Cooks & Soldiers, a Basque themed restaurant in West Midtown not far from where I live (it's on the far end of the street I live on), and close to the restaurant (Barcelona Wine Bar) where my cousin and I had a late lunch on Sunday. In between I'll pay a visit to Buckhead Bread Company, which makes the best breads I've ever had, do some grocery shopping at the new Sprouts Farmers' Market that opened near me last year, get my car washed and my hair cut. Yesterday should have been my day to cook but I'll do so tomorrow morning and afternoon, and tomorrow night I'll see Part One of the National Theatre Live broadcast of Angels in America at a cinema close to where I work, which I could not get a ticket to when I visited London in April and June.

>46 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! I still have photos to post from last month's vacation in England and Spain, which I'll get to later this week or next week. I hope that you and Elissa are doing well, along with the rest of your family.

>47 msf59: Thanks, Mark! I'm a third of the way through my two week staycation, so life is very good at the moment.

51kidzdoc
Jul 19, 10:14am Top

>48 Ireadthereforeiam: When I created my newest Club Read thread last week I realized how little of my planned reading I had done in the first half of the year, which was probably the worst six months of reading for me in the past dozen years. Hopefully I can do better over the remainder of the year, and hit the 75 books, which I failed to achieve last year.

Yes, that chicken salad is very crunchy, fresh, and flavorful. I'll probably make it again next month.

I love octopus (pulpo in Spanish), and I'll definitely have at least one pintxo pulpo for dinner tonight. The octopus I had in the restaurant affiliated with the Museo Reina Sofía in Madrid last month did not come from Madrid, but was cooked in a Peruvian style; there are plenty of octopi to be had in the waters surrounding Spain!

Those seats that look like poached eggs....do people sit on them to eat dinner? Or to have pre-diner drinks on?

Right, Megan! One of my work partners went to NuBel, the restaurant next to the Museo Reina Sofía, a couple of months before I did, when she and her family visited Barcelona and Madrid, and she said that it looked like the interior of a spaceship. I had a very late lunch there, so NuBel was nearly empty and I didn't notice anyone sitting in the bar area. I would imagine that they are for non-dining customers, as there was more traditional seating toward the back of the restaurant.

As a patient, who was sometimes drug-addled, it is good to know exactly who is who. I recall asking the cleaner a medical question!!?

LOL! What reply did you receive from the housekeeper?

I'd love to know how many patients and families look at our ID badges, and the bright cards underneath that indicate our job titles. I suspect that they matter less than how patients and families view us as health care providers. As (I think) I mentioned previously I rarely get mistaken for anything other than a physician, even though I wear street clothes (usually a sportcoat, dress shirt or turtleneck, and slacks, but never traditional ties, which are frowned upon in the hospital and clinic setting because they can help transmit viruses and bacteria from one patient to the next), whereas my female partners, who often wear traditional long white coats, are frequently mistaken for nurses.

>49 laytonwoman3rd: Gorgeous, those Odundo vessels. Some of them have verrrry interesting human characteristics, don't you think?

Absolutely, Linda, and that was meant to be the case. I made the same observation when my cousin and I viewed then (I told her then that I had seen too many Picasso sculptures, and everything looked like human bodies to me), and I subsequently learned that this was Odundo's intent.

And of course, anyone who remembers watching Demi Moore throwing pots in Ghost knows how sensual wet clay can be.

Oh, yesss...

I've watched many videos of artists at work at the wheel, and there's no doubt in my mind that magic is involved.

Agreed. Several of the exhibitions I've attended recently have included short films of the artists working in their studios and describing their work, as was the case on Sunday. It was very interesting to watch Odundo create on a vessel and talk about her work. Hmm; let me see if YouTube has that video...I don't see that particular one, which probably lasted 15 minutes, but there are other videos of her:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=magdalene+odundo

52RebaRelishesReading
Jul 20, 12:44pm Top

>18 kidzdoc: I agree you saved the best for last. I love those vessels.

53tangledthread
Jul 20, 1:38pm Top

Happy new thread! thanks for the virtual museum trip.

54Ameise1
Jul 22, 10:03am Top

Happy weekend, Darryl.

55Berly
Jul 23, 2:12am Top

D--Just keeping up here. Happy weekend! So great that you have a 40-day stretch off. Sounds like you are planning to make the most of it. ; )

56kidzdoc
Jul 24, 1:02pm Top

Happy(?) Monday, everyone! I hope that everyone had a good weekend, and that you all have a good week ahead. I've done very little reading in the past week, as I continue to be in a major book slump, but hopefully I can finish at least two books by the weekend. I should be able to finish The Gene: An Intimate History by Siddharta Mukherjee, which is very good although very detailed, even though it is written for a general audience. I should be able to finish Rotten Row by Petina Gappah as well.

This year's Booker Prize longlist will be announced on Thursday, and since I'm the administrator of the Booker Prize group on LT I just created a 2017 Booker Prize preview thread, to make members of the group aware of the upcoming longlist announcement, and to speculate on which books might be chosen for it. I chose eight books that I think stand a good chance of being included, although I haven't read any of them yet:

Autumn by Ali Smith
Dalila by Jason Donald
Exit West by Mohsin Hamid
Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders
The Ministry of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy
Reservoir 13 by Ian McGregor
Swing Time by Zadie Smith
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead

I also created a thread in the LibraryThing Gatherings and Meetups group for any LTers who are going to this year's Edinburgh Festivals, especially the Edinburgh International Book Festival, and are interested in meeting up. I booked tickets for 11 author talks, and I plan to see the free performance of The Last Poets on the 22nd:

19 Aug: Zadie Smith
20 Aug: Ali Smith
20 Aug: Jason Donald & Jenny Erpenbeck
20 Aug: Margo Jefferson with Jackie Kay
21 Aug: Henry Marsh
22 Aug: Petina Gappah & Akhil Sharma
22 Aug: Visions of the Future: Equality in the USA (with Gary Younge)
22 Aug: Meet The Last Poets (free event)
23 Aug: Gary Younge
23 Aug: Karl Ove Knausgaard
23 Aug: Christine Otten & The Last Poets
24 Aug: Colm Tóibín

57kidzdoc
Jul 24, 1:08pm Top

Catching up:

>52 RebaRelishesReading: Yes, I loved those vessels by Magdalene Odundo. I'll definitely visit them at least once more, either this week or in early August, when I have another chunk of days off from work.

>53 tangledthread: Thanks, tangledthread! I'm glad that you liked the museum trip. I may go to the Atlanta History Center later this week, although I suspect that I'll postpone my visit until next month, so that I can go with at least one friend from work.

>54 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. I hope that you had an enjoyable weekend as well.

>55 Berly: I'm looking forward to going to Edinburgh for the festivals, visiting my parents in Philadelphia almost immediately afterward, and going to Chicago for this year's American Academy of Pediatrics national conference, which will include meet ups with old friends from residency for lunches and dinners. I plan to see Debbi, Joe & Becca while I'm there as well.

58kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 24, 1:33pm Top

I've done a lot of cooking over the past three days, since my refrigerator and freezer were nearly bare, and I tried three new recipes, all of which I liked. The first one was Roasted Cauliflower Salad with Lemon Tahini Dressing, which Janet (streamsong) mentioned on her thread recently:





Here's the recipe, courtesy of Budget Bytes:

Ingredients:

1 head cauliflower
1/2 red onion
2 Tbsp olive oil
Salt and Pepper to taste
1/2 bunch parsley

LEMON TAHINI DRESSING:

1/3 cup tahini
1/3 cup water
1/4 cup lemon juice
2 cloves garlic, minced
1/2 tsp cumin
1/4 tsp cayenne
1/4 tsp salt

SPICED CHICKPEAS:

15 oz can chickpeas
1 Tbsp olive oil
1/2 tsp smoked paprika
1/4 tsp garlic powder
1/8 tsp cayenne
Salt and Pepper to taste

Instructions:

Preheat the oven to 400ºF. Chop the cauliflower into small florets and place them on a large baking sheet. Slice the red onion into 1/4-inch strips and place them on the baking sheet. Drizzle the cauliflower and onions with olive oil and season with a pinch or two of salt and pepper. Toss the cauliflower and onions until coated in oil, salt, and pepper.

Roast the cauliflower and onions in the preheated oven for 20 minutes, then stir, return them to the oven, and roast for an additional 10-15 minutes, or until the cauliflower is tender and browned on the edges. Let the cauliflower cool slightly.

While the cauliflower and onions are roasting, make the lemon tahini dressing. Add the tahini, water, lemon juice, garlic, cumin, cayenne, and salt to a blender. Blend until smooth, then refrigerate until ready to serve.

Drain and rinse the can of chickpeas. Add them to a skillet along with the olive oil, smoked paprika, cayenne, and a pinch of salt and pepper. Stir and cook the chickpeas over medium heat for about five minutes, or until they sizzle and become slightly crispy. Remove the chickpeas from the heat.

Pull the parsley leaves from their stems and roughly chop the leaves into small pieces (about 1.5 cups loosely packed, once chopped).

To build the salad, combine the roasted cauliflower and onions in a bowl with the spiced chickpeas and chopped parsley. Drizzle the lemon tahini dressing over top, and toss to combine. Serve warm or cold.
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I liked this salad far better than Janet did! It is bursting with flavor, highlighted by the tangy and nutty taste of the tahini, with a hint of sweetness provided by the caramelized red onion. My only cautionary comment about this recipe is that the dressing is about twice as much as the salad requires, and as a result my salad was a bit drenched in it. This salad can be served cold or warm, as an entrée or side salad (I'll have some, along with a southwestern salmon burger from Publix, for lunch shortly).

59kidzdoc
Jul 24, 2:34pm Top

The weekend before last one of my medical school classmates made a Low Country Boil, which looked fabulous (the Low Country, for those of you outside of the US, is the coastal regions of Georgia and South Carolina, which includes the cities of Myrtle Beach, Charleston and Savannah). One of the nurses I worked with also recently posted a video of a recipe named Shrimp Boil Foil Packs that could be cooked on the grill or in the oven, so I modified that recipe and gave it a try on Saturday, which I call a Cajun Shrimp Boil:





Ingredients:

1 pound shrimp, peeled and de-veined
2 ears of corn on the cob, husked
½ pound andouille sausage
1 pound baby red potatoes OR baby yellow potatoes
3 tablespoons old bay seasoning OR homemade seasoning (see note)
salt and pepper, to taste
3 teaspoons minced garlic
juice of ½ lemon, plus lemon wedges for serving
3 tablespoons, melted + ½ cup butter, divided
chopped fresh parsley, for topping

Instructions:

Chop corn into thirds, then chop each third in half lengthwise. Chop potatoes into 2 inch pieces. Boil corn and potatoes for 10 minutes. Drain and set aside.

In a large bowl combine shrimp, sausage, corn, and potatoes. Stir together melted 3 tablespoons butter, Old Bay seasoning, garlic, juice from half a lemon, and salt and pepper to taste and pour over shrimp, sausage, and veggies. Stir to coat.

Divide between four 12x12 inch sheets of aluminum foil. Fold edges of foil up around the food to create a closed packet.

Cook on preheated grill over medium-high heat for 8-10 minutes on one side, then flip and cook another 5-6 minutes on the second side. Alternately, you can bake the packets at 400 degrees for 15-20 minutes until corn is tender and shrimp are pink and fully cooked.

While packets are cooking, melt remaining butter in a medium sauce pan over medium-high heat. Once melted, continue to stir gently over medium heat for 3-4 minutes longer until color changes from pale yellow to a golden amber (but be careful not to burn it).

Serve shrimp boil packs topped with chopped parsley, lemon wedges for squeezing, and browned butter for drizzling over the top or dipping.

Notes:

Homemade Old Bay Seasoning: whisk together 1 tablespoon celery salt, 1 teaspoon paprika, ½ teaspoon black pepper, ½ teaspoon cayenne pepper, ¼ teaspoon dry mustard, ⅛ teaspoon each allspice, cloves, and a pinch of ground ginger.
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I prefer using either Tony Chachere's Original Creole Seasoning or Luzianne Cajun Seasoning to flavor seafood, so I used Tony Chachere's instead of the traditional Old Bay Seasoning that is used in Low Country boils. I also used Savoie's andouille sausage, which like Tony Chachere's comes from Opelousas, Louisiana in the heart of Cajun country, which is why I called this a Cajun Shrimp Boil. I did not cut the chopped corn ears in half, as I thought it was more likely that I would chop one of my fingers in half. I took the advice of a friend and added salt to the water I used to boil the corn and the potatoes (which you can hardly see in my photos, since I cut them into one inch pieces), but it made the boil a touch saltier than I would have liked. Other than that I followed the recipe to the letter. Everything came out tender and flavorful, and I'll definitely make this again in the near future.

60kidzdoc
Jul 24, 2:43pm Top

I bought a two pound bag of shrimp from Publix on Saturday, which meant that I had a pound left after I made the Cajun Shrimp Boil that day. So, I used the remaining pound of shrimp to make Oven Roasted Garlic Parmesan Shrimp:



Ingredients:

1 lb extra-large shrimp, cleaned, deveined, and butterflied
1⁄4 cup olive oil
3⁄4 cup toasted breadcrumb
1 pinch salt
1 pinch black pepper
1 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes
3 garlic cloves
2 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley
6 tablespoons butter
1⁄4 cup grated parmesan cheese

Directions:

Preheat oven to 350 F.
Arrange shrimp in an oiled casserole dish.
Drizzle the olive oil evenly over the shrimp.
Sprinkle bread crumbs over the shrimp.
Add salt and black and red pepper.
Chop garlic and parsley together, sprinkle over the shrimp.
Stir all together gently so shrimp is evenly coated with oil, crumbs, and seasoning.
Cover the dish and bake for 15 minutes.
Dot the shrimp with the butter.
Sprinkle the Parmesan cheese over the shrimp.
Bake uncovered for 5 minutes longer.
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This is a perfect recipe to make for dinner after work, as it took no more than 35 minutes from start to finish. I cooked 8 oz of linguine while the shrimp was in the oven, and the combined shrimp pasta made four servings.

61kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 24, 4:57pm Top

From Amber's thread, a question from Linda (laytonwoman3rd):

Snapper soup....now I'm salivating, before breakfast. That's a taste you never forget. I think I've only eaten it twice--once in New Orleans (or one of the plantations restaurants up the river) and once in Florida. I've never been tempted to try the canned variety though. Is it good, Darryl? I've had Bookbinder's canned chowder, which I can occasionally find in one of our better grocery stores here. I went to paralegal school in Philadelphia back in the 1970's, but our budget did not run to Bookbinder's prices in those days, so I never had a chance to try it fresh.

I did receive six cans of Old Bookbinder's Snapper Soup on Thursday, along with two boxes of OTC oyster crackers. I tried a can for lunch...and I wasn't impressed. I used to buy this canned soup frequently when I was a resident at Emory, and I liked it then. I probably won't try it again anytime soon, as I have quite a bit of food that I've made in the past three days that I should eat first.

62cameling
Jul 24, 4:24pm Top

Your shrimp boil looks delicious, Darryl .. and it's so simple to make too! I think I'll add that to dinner plans for later this week. It's something I can put together quickly when I get home from work. With my commute being over an hour, I only make things I can put together in less than 40 mins on the days I have to go into the office, which, thankfully, is only twice a week.

63laytonwoman3rd
Jul 24, 4:33pm Top

"I used to buy this canned soup frequently when I was a resident at Emory, and I liked them then." Well, your palate is probably more sophisticated now, what with all the traveling, and cooking for yourself; and I wouldn't be surprised if the quality of the product has changed in the intervening years as well. Especially since the name is no longer associated with a vital restaurant business. You'll just have to learn to make Snapper soup yourself, Darryl!

64kidzdoc
Jul 24, 4:57pm Top

>62 cameling: Thanks, Caroline. I didn't realize how simple it was to make a Low Country boil, or that it could be made in the oven, until I saw the recipe that my nurse friend Kevin posted on Facebook earlier this month. I think that Jill (my medical school classmate) was inspired to make her version of it after I posted the Shrimp Boil Foil Packs recipe on my thread, and her Facebook post inspired me to make it ASAP.

It may seem that I post a lot of photos of recipes that I've made or want to make on my Facebook thread, but many of my friends in Atlanta do the same thing, and we feed (pun intended) off of each other. We're all looking for ideas, especially my nurse and physician colleagues with families, who are eager to find recipes for quick meals that can be made after work. We (those of us who cook) may not always comment about or like recipes that we post on Facebook, but we will talk about them at work frequently. We learn from and sometimes share with each other, especially during holidays, and I'm glad to be able to contribute.

>63 laytonwoman3rd: I think you're absolutely right, Linda. I've been making my own meals since high school, when I and my best friends across the street would make sandwiches or cook very simple things after school as an afternoon snack before dinner, especially when my mother returned to work, but I hardly made anything substantial until I was in medical school, and it's only been recently (the past four or five years?) that I've been cooking on a regular basis. One of my closest colleagues at work is tickled at the change in my eating habits: before I started cooking the shelves in my kitchen were mainly filled with books, but they have now been completely replaced with spices, pasta and other ingredients to make food. My shelves were previously filled with ready to eat items, but before I bought the snapper soup there was nothing in my pantry that could be opened and heated as a meal on the stove top or in the microwave (not counting soups that I use in recipes). You're probably also right about the quality of Old Bookbinder's Snapper Soup, now that the actual restaurant is no longer in business. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as I remember it tasting, and the Creole turtle soups I've had at Tommy's Cuisine and Restaurant R'evolution in New Orleans recently were far superior to any canned soup.

You'll just have to learn to make Snapper soup yourself, Darryl!

Ha! I may have to! I know where to get turtle soup in New Orleans, of course, but I'll have to find out where to get it in Philadelphia. I'll probably search for places when I visit my parents in September.

65scaifea
Jul 25, 6:57am Top

I'm sorry that the canned soup didn't turn out as good as you remembered. I admit that I was a bit surprised when you said that you had ordered canned soup - it just didn't sound like something you'd do. Will you be able to find the ingredients to make it, you think?

66kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 25, 8:35am Top

>65 scaifea: Thanks, Amber. I ordered snapper soup because it's not available locally (at least not to my knowledge), and because turtle meat isn't readily available. It's been at least 15 years since the last time I had Old Original Bookbinder's Snapper Soup, so I can't tell if the recipe has changed, or, as Linda said, my palate has become more sophisticated (I think her answer is the correct one).

I suspect that I can find turtle meat in one of the nearby suburban farmers' markets or specialty meat stores. I did a quick Google search and found the Cajun Meat Market in Marietta, GA, which is about a 25 minute drive from where I live, heading northwest. It sells duck, quail, rabbit, alligator, and boudin, but I didn't see any turtle listed. Benita has fondly mentioned a specialty meat market in that direction, and there are two farmers' markets just east of the city, which cater to metro Atlanta's diverse international population.

I'll look for good turtle/snapper soup recipes online, either from Philadelphia or Louisiana, and probably give it a try in the fall, perhaps in October.

I also want to learn how to cook duck. Last month Rachael (FlossieT) and her husband Rupert, who is a National Health Service physician and researcher, invited Fliss and I for Sunday roast in Cambridge. Rupert is an expert on cooking meats, and he gave me great advice on how to prepare duck and lamb, which are far more readily available in the UK than in the US. He and I are becoming increasingly friendly, and I'll ask him for more advice when I cook it for the first time, probably in the fall as well.

67streamsong
Jul 25, 8:51am Top

I'm so glad you enjoyed the Tahini salad! Your feedback has encouraged me. The Tahini I bought here in very small town Montana was quite bitter, which spoiled the salad. I loved the components of it - the roasted cauliflower and purple onion, the spicy chick peas. Next time I'm in Missoula, I'll buy another jar of Tahini and see if it's better.

I would love to see what you and your friends cook up on Facebook!

68kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 25, 10:34am Top

>67 streamsong: I'm glad that I decided to try the roast cauliflower salad recipe, Janet! Thanks for posting it on your thread. I can't always put my finger on it, but certain recipes appeal to me far more than others, including that one. I'm always eager to hear about recipes that others like, but I'll only try those that I think I would enjoy.

I wonder if the tahini you bought was rancid, as I understand tahini becomes very bitter after that happens. Publix, my local supermarket, stocks Krinos tahini in its international foods section, and I'm pleased with how it tastes.



Speaking of Publix, and Facebook recipes, I posted two recipe videos to my Facebook timeline recently and I'll go shopping shortly to pick up the ingredients I need for them. I'll definitely try Dadisi Olutosin's Recipe For Collard Greens today, and make Mango Curry Chickpeas on Thursday or Friday. Olutosin is a chef in Washington who grew up in Atlanta, and his recipe, which features African and Caribbean influences, was recently featured on NPR's new series Hot Pot.

69scaifea
Jul 25, 9:39am Top

>66 kidzdoc: Best of luck finding the turtle meat and cooking duck! I've heard that the latter can be tricky, although I've never tried it myself.

70kidzdoc
Jul 25, 10:37am Top

>69 scaifea: Thanks, Amber! I've never seen anyone make duck or turtle or tried it myself, and Rupert is the only person I know who has cooked duck. I adore how duck tastes, and I'd love to try making it, even though it isn't hard to find in Atlanta.

71laytonwoman3rd
Jul 25, 11:07am Top

I've roasted duck a couple times, and did something with it in the slow cooker once that turned out well. But it's never as good at home as it is when I order it in restaurants, so I sort of keep it as one of those "treat" items to have when dining somewhere special.

72benitastrnad
Edited: Jul 25, 9:33pm Top

Sara Moulton, Julia Child's last assistant chef, also is a big fan of duck. She recently featured an evening meal of it on her TV cooking show, "Weeknight Meals with Sara Moulton".

73Berly
Jul 25, 10:48pm Top

Luckily my dinner is in the oven and will be ready in about 10 minutes--this is a dangerous thread if you are hungry!!

74kidzdoc
Jul 26, 9:24am Top

>71 laytonwoman3rd: That's my concern, Linda. It would be disappointing if I spent the money and effort to cook duck and didn't like it, instead of getting a far better version of it in a local restaurant.

>72 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. I'll see if I can find a video of that particular program online.

>73 Berly: Ha! I sometimes have to avoid looking at this thread if I'm hungry and food isn't readily available.

75kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 26, 9:26am Top



The Booker Prize longlist announcement will take place just after 7 pm EDT. I'll almost certainly be home then, and I'll post the chosen books as soon as the longlist is made available.

76jnwelch
Jul 26, 1:53pm Top

Hi, Darryl.

I've had The Gene on my radar for a while now, but it sure does look like a substantial reading commitment. I look forward to your comments when you're finished.

77SandDune
Jul 26, 2:34pm Top

>75 kidzdoc: I think I might be giving the Booker prize a wide berth this year. I really didn't enjoy last year's selections.

78kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 26, 9:30pm Top

>76 jnwelch: Hi, Joe! Even though I have a relatively strong background in microbiology (my undergraduate major) and molecular biology (from doing research in a lab at NYU Medical Center for four years between my graduation and my entry into medical school) and my strong interest in the subject I've only been able to read snippets of The Gene for the past two weeks. Then again, my focus on reading in general, as I mentioned on my Club Read thread earlier today, has been way down for the past year or so, but particularly this year, which I attribute to the horror/reality TV show that is taking place in Washington. I and my pediatrician colleagues are horrified that Senate Republicans narrowly voted to begin debate on overturning the Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. "Obamacare"), so that they can replace it with what I would call the Unaffordable Care Act, in which 20 million Americans or more would lose their health insurance within the next decade, and millions of children would lose Medicaid coverage, which would be devastating for affected adults and children, along with health care providers and hospitals like myself and the system I work for, who provide care to them. That was yesterday's bombshell, and today's was Доналд Трумп's decision to ban transgender people from the military, due to the "tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail." WTF does that mean?! If this is allowed to pass, will women be banned from the military as well?

The (Dis)United States is descending into madness, and I'm increasingly ashamed to consider myself an American. I can hardly wait to leave this God forsaken, hopelessly ass backward and terminally xenophobic country for good.

>77 SandDune: I agree, Rhian. Last year's longlist was very disappointing, and I wasn't fond of the winner, The Sellout by Paul Beatty, which I had read long before the Booker Dozen was announced last summer. However, I am optimistic that this year's longlist (which will be revealed in less than 20 minutes!) will be a far better one.

79kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 26, 9:34pm Top

Here is the longlist for this year's Booker Prize:

4 3 2 1 by Paul Auster (US) (Faber & Faber)
Days Without End by Sebastian Barry (Ireland) (Faber & Faber)
History of Wolves by Emily Fridlund (US) (Weidenfeld & Nicolson)
Exit West by Mohsin Hamid (Pakistan-UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
Solar Bones by Mike McCormack (Ireland) (Canongate)
Reservoir 13 by Jon McGregor (UK) (4th Estate)
Elmet by Fiona Mozley (UK) (JM Originals)
The Ministry Of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy (India) (Hamish Hamilton)
Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders (US) (Bloomsbury)
Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie (UK-Pakistan) (Bloomsbury)
Autumn by Ali Smith (UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
Swing Time by Zadie Smith (UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead (US) (Fleet)

At a first glance I am absolutely thrilled with this longlist! Several of the books that I predicted would be chosen made the cut, namely Exit West, Reservoir 13, The Ministry of Utmost Happiness, Lincoln in the Bardo, Autumn, Swing Time and The Underground Railroad. Big props go to Rachael (FlossieT) for recommending Reservoir 13 to me last month, which I purchased in London. I'm eager to get started on the longlist, and I look forward to seeing Ali Smith and Zadie Smith speak about their books at the Edinburgh International Book Festival next month.

80benitastrnad
Jul 26, 9:34pm Top

#78
I can't believe that our Congress has voted for the Unaffordable Care Act. I am also appalled at the announcement of today about the changes in policy in the military. I have long considered the US Military to be one of the most color and gender neutral institutions in our country. This is a reversal of all that. Not to mention so totally stupid. And why would you make this kind of major policy shift known via a stupid ass tweet!

The only bright spot for me is that the great orange gasbag is draining the swamp. Every day we are closer to getting Jeff Sessions out of Washington and into retirement where his bigoted tired looking self should be. If you ask me, he is getting his just deserts.

81jessibud2
Jul 26, 10:34pm Top

>79 kidzdoc: - Darryl, the list sounds great. I haven't read any of them yet but have heard enough buzz about some of them here on LT. Just tonight, on one of our tv programs, Mohsin Hamid was interviewed. I am not sure if you will be able to view this, but if so, it's a good one:

http://tvo.org/video/programs/the-agenda-with-steve-paikin/exit-west

And I definitely want to read this!

82avatiakh
Jul 27, 1:42am Top

It's a really strong longlist this time, my only grizzle would be no Canadian, Aussie or NZ books.

83elkiedee
Jul 27, 5:51am Top

Have read: Exit West and Swing Time via Netgalley - reviews outstanding
Have bought Lincoln in the Bardo
Dead tree review copies: History of Wolves, Reservoir 13
Netgalley review copies: Days Without End, Autumn, The Underground Railroad
Was sadly turned down for the Roy and Shamsie books but hopefully this means they will be available from the library soon if not already.

4 3 2 1 by Paul Auster (US) (Faber & Faber)
Days Without End by Sebastian Barry (Ireland) (Faber & Faber)
History of Wolves by Emily Fridlund (US) (Weidenfeld & Nicolson)
Exit West by Mohsin Hamid (Pakistan-UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
Solar Bones by Mike McCormack (Ireland) (Canongate)
Reservoir 13 by Jon McGregor (UK) (4th Estate)
Elmet by Fiona Mozley (UK) (JM Originals)
The Ministry Of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy (India) (Hamish Hamilton)
Lincoln in the Bardo by George Saunders (US) (Bloomsbury)
Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie (UK-Pakistan) (Bloomsbury)
Autumn by Ali Smith (UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
Swing Time by Zadie Smith (UK) (Hamish Hamilton)
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead (US) (Fleet)

84laytonwoman3rd
Jul 27, 10:33am Top

>80 benitastrnad: . "I can't believe that our Congress has voted for the Unaffordable Care Act. " Actually, they haven't. They voted in favor of debating some non-existent bill. And then the voted against repealing the ACA without a replacement for it. This isn't exactly cause for celebration, but maybe a big sigh of relief is in order. As for the military thing....appalling doesn't begin to describe it. I think sexual harrassment and gender-shaming in the military is an unresolved problem of significant magnitude, and this is simply going to validate one ugly manifestation of it by making transgender members fair game.

85jessibud2
Jul 27, 10:59am Top

>84 laytonwoman3rd: - When this news broke and I heard it this morning, our news reporter, based in Washington, added almost as an afterthought, how this has managed (yet again) to knock trump's Russia issues out of the limelight, for the moment. He seems to be going to great lengths (strategically timed, it seems) to distract from that never-ending scandal.... sigh...

86laytonwoman3rd
Jul 27, 11:18am Top

>85 jessibud2: And then there are people who suggest the whole Russia thing is diverting attention from "more important" matters. I don't see any of it as unimportant, frankly.

87jnwelch
Jul 27, 2:13pm Top

>78 kidzdoc: Can't blame you for looking forward to leaving this increasingly nutso country, Darryl. I totally agree with you, of course, about the stupidity of his latest ban on trangenders in the military. He's doing his damndest to throw our country into the trash heap.

so that they can replace it with what I would call the Unaffordable Care Act, in which 20 million Americans or more would lose their health insurance within the next decade, and millions of children would lose Medicaid coverage". Well said. I love your "Unaffordable Care Act" label.

Because my glass is always half full, I'm hoping the blue voters in this country wake up and use their numerical superiority to say no, we're going in the direction that is true to our values, not this alt-right nonsense. 2018, 2020. if that doesn't happen, our family may be joining you in . . . Spain?

88kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 27, 7:40pm Top

I've been moderately busy with errands and cooking today, but I'm now nearly done. I'm cooking a rather unique version of collard greens that came from a new NPR series called Hot Pot, which feature favorite recipes from Americans of different cultures. The title of this story is The African Roots Of A Classic Southern Dish, which comes from Chef Dadisi Olutosin, a native Atlantan currently working in Washington, who has an African American mother who he describes as a "Southern belle" and a Nigerian father. His greens are influenced by West African and Caribbean culture, as they contain curry powder, red onions, roasted peanuts, cremini mushrooms and coconut milk. It should be finished in less than 10 minutes, and I'll post the recipe and impression of it shortly; hopefully it will taste as good as it smells. I'll just have a taste, as I'm still full from lunch, and I'll catch up here afterward.

89EBT1002
Jul 28, 3:29pm Top

Your summer travel plans sound great, Darryl. As always, I look forward to experiencing those places vicariously.

>88 kidzdoc: I'm interested in how that worked out.

I've only read two of the 2017 Booker nominees, The Underground Railroad and Exit West. I thought both were excellent although Exit West may have a slight edge in my opinion. Now I need to get cracking on some of the others!

90SandDune
Jul 28, 3:37pm Top

>79 kidzdoc: That does look a much better list than recent ones. I've read Autumn and The Underground Railroad and enjoyed both of them (although I didn't have such a high opinion of The Underground Railroad as some people, probably because my knowledge of US history is less good than it could be.) Several of the others are on my wish list, in particular 4 3 2 1 and Days without End.

91Berly
Jul 29, 1:46am Top

I have only read The underground Railroad and I liked, but didn't love it. I do have waiting in the wings Lincoln in the Bardo and Swing Time.

D--I also snagged your mango chickpea recipe from FB. Have you ever heard of Onetsp.com? It is my electronic recipe book and it is so easy to import recipes from websites. Your name is tagged in the notes. ; )

92Ireadthereforeiam
Jul 29, 4:36am Top

>51 kidzdoc: I recall asking the cleaner a medical question!!?
LOL! What reply did you receive from the housekeeper?

I got precisely nothing from the broom-guy...he didn't even correct my misunderstanding!! (I actually only got the attention I needed from someone else's specialist; he walked past my room, and then backed up as must have seen me gripping the bedrails in pain....yikes! Not a good memory!

>79 kidzdoc: I have only heard of a few of those!
4 3 2 1 by Paul Auster (is he the same one who wrote The New York Trilogy?)
The Ministry Of Utmost Happiness by Arundhati Roy (I can't help but wonder how much this has to do with her other book!?)
The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead

I plan to read all of the above- at some stage in my long life of reading.

93katiekrug
Jul 29, 10:03am Top

Morning, Darryl. I finally responded to you on my thread, but know it can be hard to make all the rounds so thought I'd post here, too. Fine with me if you want to create a thread in the Meet-ups group - it's probably the best way to aggregate responses and plans. Since Labor Day weekend is out, how about the weekend after (Sept. 9 or 10)?

94katiekrug
Jul 29, 10:04am Top

Re: the Booker - I really liked The Underground Railroad but I think Exit West was more interesting, so that would be my choice of the two I've read :)

95thornton37814
Jul 29, 12:46pm Top

>59 kidzdoc: >60 kidzdoc: Now I'm hungry. We had a low-country boil the first night of the genealogy institute. While it was good, they did not season it enough. I wish I'd had a little of that cajun seasoning in my purse! They also failed to remove the swimmerets which I prefer completed before the boiling begins.

>79 kidzdoc: I received an email from Book Depository with the list, but I did not have time to really study it. I know we have 4 of them at the library. I'll see which are available at the public library also. We may order a few more of the long-listed books, but I don't want to get books our readers won't read, so I'll be cautious about ordering.

96kidzdoc
Edited: Jul 29, 10:03pm Top

I went back to work today, my first in a nine day stretch from now through next Sunday. My reading output has slowed down to a near complete halt this month, and despite being off for 14 days in July I'll only finish three books. Hopefully August will be a much better reading month, especially because I'll be out of the country for the last two weeks of it and will be presumably less consumed with the Republican Horror Show in Washington, particularly now that the Senate failed to enact legislation to repeal and/or replace the Affordable Care Act, which would have been devastating for children's hospitals in the US and, more importantly, poor and working class kids and families on Medicaid or one of the Children's Health Insurance Programs (CHIPs) that most, if not all, states operate (Georgia's CHIP is named, appropriately enough, Peach State).

Here are my planned reads for August (highly likely to change, especially after I arrive in Edinburgh):

Another Day in the Death of America: A Chronicle of Ten Short Lives by Gary Younge
Autumn by Ali Smith
Dalila by Jason Donald
The Gene: An Intimate History by Siddhartha Mukherjee
Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie (I should be able to buy this in Edinburgh)
Life Embitters by Josep Pla
Pity and Terror: Picasso's Path to Guernica by Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía
Reservoir 13 by Jon McGregor
Rotten Row by Petina Gappah
Swing Time by Zadie Smith

>80 benitastrnad: Fortunately the 'Republican leadership' (note oxymoron) in the Senate failed to get enough votes to repeal or replace the Affordable Care Act, as did the House, so it seems likely that any reform of the ACA will only come about from a bipartisan effort...as it should be. Republicans had seven years to work on a viable replacement, but their proposals were very insular and poorly thought out (I think I remember reading somewhere that less than 20% of the voting public supported the last House proposal, and I would imagine that the Senate proposals were equally unpopular).

Oof...I can barely keep my eyes open, after working 10 hours, having dinner, and finishing a lovely long conversation with one of my favorite classmates from medical school not long ago. I won't be on call on Sunday as I was today, so I should be able to catch up tomorrow afternoon. ¡Hasta mañana!

97Ameise1
Jul 30, 4:28am Top

Happy Sunday, Darryl. I love duck breast. It's something you can get easily here.

98EllaTim
Jul 30, 8:37am Top

Beautiful images above, Darryl. I loved the vessels of Ms Odundo, and was just thinking how nice it would be to see her at work, when you posted that YouTube link.
so thanks for that, there are several interviews where she talks about her work, and I found one video where she is making glass objects (a collaboration). Very worthwhile to see.

99benitastrnad
Jul 30, 12:28pm Top

I made a big commitment yesterday and purchased a 2017 Subaru Outback. Now I have to learn how to drive it. I couldn't find the USB ports on the drive back from Birmingham. I suspect my breakfast reading will be done in the owners manual for the next couple of weeks.

100Deern
Jul 31, 3:29am Top

I hope the 9-day-stretch won't be too stressful, Darryl. And I hope you'll get to the planned August reading and enjoy all the books.
So far I'm much happier with this year's list than with the 2016 one. I'd read the Auster and Ali Smith earlier and now finished two of the others and so far liked them all. Started the Zadie Smith book yesterday.

101lkernagh
Jul 31, 6:28pm Top

Happy new thread, Darryl. Lots of great eye candy here: Pictures of museum exhibitions and mouth-watering food. Wonderful!

102jnwelch
Jul 31, 6:36pm Top

Hi, Darryl.

I just started The Gene, and so far, so good. He puts an interesting personal (family) angle on it.

103Caroline_McElwee
Jul 31, 6:37pm Top

Waving, will catch up properly soon Darryl.

I liked the Man Booker long list too. Have six already, read The Underground Railway, a fine novel; gave up on Lincoln in the Bardo bleh. The Zadie Smith may get started soon. Hope to read the Auster in the next couple of months, it's a brick, but I generally like him.

Remind me of your London dates please.

104Familyhistorian
Aug 1, 11:48pm Top

I have The Gene on my shelves. It's size is a bit daunting. I will proceed with caution after reading your take on it, Darryl. Have a great week.

105Berly
Aug 1, 11:59pm Top

D--I have The Gene and Swing Time in my TBR-soon piles. : ) Good luck with the 9-day stretch and I hope your reading picks up for you in August.

106katiekrug
Aug 3, 7:04pm Top

Darryl, here's the link to the meet-up thread:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/266680

107PaulCranswick
Aug 4, 4:19pm Top

>79 kidzdoc: A much better selection methinks than the last couple of fairly disappointing years.

Have a great weekend dear fellow.

108benitastrnad
Aug 6, 8:16pm Top

An over abundance of summer veggies and my impending vacation brought on a very good crock-pot version of ratatouille. I will cook some rice to go with it and I must say that it smells divine.

Remember that August 8 is Put-Some-Zucchini-on-somebody's-porch-day. I just hope nobody leaves any o mine because it will be very ripe by the time I get back.

109kidzdoc
Aug 7, 11:09am Top

Woo! My nine day work stretch is over, and I only have one night shift (8 pm to 8 am) on Friday remaining in the month. I do have a committee meeting to attend in my hospital this afternoon, but other than that I don't have any work responsibilities until Friday night.

I haven't done much reading done this month, but I'm just over halfway through The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead, the first novel from this year's Booker Prize longlist that I've started reading. It's absolutely brilliant so far, and I should finish it no later than tomorrow.

Catching up...

>97 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. I'm sure that I can find duck breast at a specialty meat market or a food market in metro Atlanta without much difficulty, but the supermarkets that I normally frequent wouldn't have it (unless Whole Foods does, but I would tend to doubt it).

>98 EllaTim: I'm glad that you liked those vessels, EllaTim. Fortunately they will be at the High Museum of Art until mid October, so I'll visit that exhibition at least once more before it leaves. I'll have to look for her online videos as well.

>99 benitastrnad: Congratulations, Benita! Good choice...I came very close to buying a Subaru Outback last year, before I bought my pre-owned SUV last year. Please let me know how you like it.

110kidzdoc
Aug 7, 11:18am Top

>100 Deern: The work stretch wasn't a terrible one, Nathalie; we were busy, but less so than it's been most of the year. Hopefully my Friday night shift will be relatively benign.

I'm eager to make some headway in the Booker Prize longlist during the next six weeks, as I only have one work shift between now and September 22nd. I plan to read the hardcover longlisted books I already own first, since I'll leave for Edinburgh next Thursday, so after I finish The Underground Railroad I'll start reading Reservoir 13 and Swing Time, and hopefully I'll be able to finish Autumn before I attend Ali Smith's talk at the Edinburgh International Book Festival on the 20th.

>101 lkernagh: Thanks, Lori! I have a few recipes that I want to try over the next week and a half, and I'm sure I'll take plenty of photos in Edinburgh that will be posted in this thread or the subsequent one.

>102 jnwelch: I'm glad that you're enjoying The Gene, Joe. It's been put on the back burner, but I'll plan to bring it with me next week.

111kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 7, 11:32am Top

>103 Caroline_McElwee: Hi, Caroline. I'm glad that you liked The Underground Railroad, but I think you're the first person I know of who didn't like Lincoln in the Bardo, which I'm eager to read.

I'll leave Edinburgh on the 25th, arrive in London by train that afternoon, and leave there on the 30th.

>104 Familyhistorian: I am enjoying The Gene so far, Meg, but for me it isn't a book that I can read in one prolonged sitting. I should finally finish it this month.

>105 Berly: Thanks, Kim. I'm a bit groggy today, so I may not get much reading done before tomorrow, but I expect that my output will pick up dramatically from then on.

112kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 7, 11:33am Top

>106 katiekrug: Great...thanks, Katie! I scheduled a repeat colonoscopy for the day before (I go to my parents' gastroenterologist in Yardley, PA), but I should be fine for that day. I'll list myself as "probable" until early next month, as I'll wait to see what my parents and brother want to do that weekend.

>107 PaulCranswick: Agreed, Paul. This looks to be one of the best longlist in years, and I had hoped that this would be the case this year in particular, given the judges that were chosen.

>108 benitastrnad: Ratatouille sounds good, Benita! How did it turn out?

It's half eleven, so I'd better get dressed and head to the hospital for the committee meeting I have to attend. I'll check back in later today or tomorrow.

113avidmom
Aug 7, 11:52pm Top

>111 kidzdoc: My son checked out Lincoln In The Bardo. He had to read some of Saunders last year for his university English class and really liked his writing. I picked up Lincoln In The Bardo and thought it very strange. I'll give it a go though.

The Underground Railroad is on my pile of books I bought from our library's book sale room - such a find (got it for a $1).

114benitastrnad
Aug 9, 6:14pm Top

The first batch of ratatouille I made was great. This second batch was not as good. My flour thickening got lumpy. I think the liquid wa to hot when I added the flour, but the seasoning was just right, so I am happy with the results.

I got the insurance and tag for my new car today, so that is all taken care of. I am ready to start packing for my trip to Kansas.

115Berly
Aug 12, 2:54am Top

D--Just looking to see if you are around. Apparently, not yet. : )

116PaulCranswick
Aug 13, 3:05am Top

Hope all is well Darryl. What's cooking, buddy?

117Ireadthereforeiam
Aug 15, 8:25pm Top

Hey Darryl- on hiatus?
(*please no, not you!!!??*)

I am snowed under (just a tad- transcribing interviews for my research= v. time consuming) but wanted to swing by and check out what the art/books/recipe situation was like over here :)

118souloftherose
Aug 16, 2:27am Top

Darryl, you've been in my thoughts a lot over the last week with the news about Charlottesville. Hope you're ok.

119kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 16, 10:00am Top

I'm sorry for my absence on my thread, but I suspect that it will continue for the present time. Anyone who follows me on Facebook knows that I am deeply troubled by the events of the past week, particularly the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, the murder of the civil rights activist at the hands of a neo-Nazi who mowed down her and 19 other anti-fascist protesters who were congregating peacefully, and, perhaps most disturbing of all, by donald trump's tepid response to the tragedy this weekend, and especially his vitriolic comments yesterday that, in essence, supported the alt-right and neo-Nazi marchers by equating them with the "very violent" "alt-left" protesters who, he said, provoked them into their own violent response.

As a person of color I am horrified by these events, and the depraved man who is this country's chief executive, and as such I do not have the luxury of not speaking out or ignoring what is happening in this sick and degraded country as many of my white friends and colleagues do. Leaving the United States is in my post-retirement plans, but I cannot do so now, so I have to stand up for the rights of me, my family and loved ones, other people of color, religious minorities, and the LGBTQ community. White women essentially put trump into office, as a majority of the ones who voted chose him, so they are on their own as far as I'm concerned and are no longer reliable allies, taken as a whole.

On one hand I am dismayed by the near complete lack of discussion or any concern in this group about what I perceive to be our country's decline into fascism, similar to Germany shortly after the ascension of Adolf Hitler to power, but on the other hand I do accept that this is a community of bibliophiles, most of whom would prefer to set politics aside and focus on reading and less weighty topics. However, reading or discussion of books that aren't related to current events aren't very interesting to me at the present time, and participating in this group seems irrelevant, unimportant, and a waste of time.

I will limit my activity here, for the moment at least, to book reviews, discussion of books and authors, and topics that would be of relevance here. At the end of the year I'll re-evaluate whether I want to continue to be an active member in this group, and in LibraryThing, but I'm inclined to limit my participation to Club Read, Reading Globally and the Booker Prize groups.

I apologize if I've offended anyone, but after dealing with two (white) women who posted provocative and hateful comments on my Facebook timeline within the past week, two others who sent nasty PMs to me on LT, and the troll who basically called me an asshole for eating lamb on my thread earlier this year, my feelings are a bit raw and my tolerance for any more B.S. from anyone, especially American white females, is essentially zero.

/end of rant

120kidzdoc
Aug 16, 9:59am Top

I should have mentioned that I leave for Edinburgh tomorrow afternoon, and I look forward to leaving this diseased country for two weeks. Hopefully my mood will improve after I arrive there, and I look forward to meeting up with Fliss and Margaret to see plays, concerts, comedy shows, author talks and other events during the Edinburgh Festivals while I'm there. I'll be in Edinburgh from August 18-25, travel by train to London on the 25th, and fly back to Atlanta on the 30th.

121jessibud2
Aug 16, 10:42am Top

{{Darryl}}

I understand your hurt, outrage and disgust, as much as I am able to, from my perch here in Canada. I agree with it totally. I hope you know and can accept that there are plenty (tons) of white women (Americans, even!) who feel as you do and who did not vote for the cretin. And that many of them are right here on LT. Just dump or block those who harass you. They don't deserve to be here.

I agree with you 100% about the slide into Nazism and it worries me greatly that, as a species, we humans seem incapable of learning from history and are therefore doomed to repeat it. I would love to drop trump and the N. Korean clown onto a deserted island somewhere far far away from all civilization and let them fend for themselves, just the 2 of them. I think our planet would be a whole lot safer if that could happen.

I hope your 2 weeks away will be healing and refreshing and distracting, in all the right ways. Do yourself a favour and ignore the news and facebook for awhile. Your mental health will thank you.

Hang in there, my friend

122katiekrug
Aug 16, 12:41pm Top

Darryl, as FB friends, you know my stance. I support you in needing to take a step back from forums that you don't find adding value to your life at this time. I think it's a shame that any of the pain and frustration you are feeling has come from LT. Anyone who argued for giving the President a chance when he had so clearly demonstrated who and what he was throughout the campaign and really throughout his life, was either willfully blind or secretly liked it. Shame on them. I'm done with being polite and giving Trump supporters the benefit of the doubt.

(As an aside, any of you trolls are welcome to send me angry PMs. I'd consider it a badge of honor to have offended you.)

123Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Aug 16, 1:04pm Top

Sorry you are all hurting right now Darryl. Most of us in the UK are very concerned about what is going on.

I suspect the reason for no comments in here is possibly due to your not really wanting to talk Trump at the beginning of the year, and wanting to keep this place a respite from the crazy things happening. Maybe clarify what you want or start a political/world affairs thread to contain the debate. It won't be lack of concern for what is happening.

Enjoy Edinburgh. I hope to catch you in London this time.

124kidzdoc
Aug 16, 1:33pm Top

Now that my fit of extreme pique has passed I would like to retract some of the more acerbic comments in my flaming post. A good number of my white female friends here, especially Ada, Deborah, Katie and Shelley, have been as disturbed as I by Доналд Трумп's elections, comments and policies and have spoken openly about their outrage, whether here or on Facebook. I didn't mean to lump them, or my non-LT white female friends, with their group. That was unfair, and I apologize to them and anyone else who took offense to my hateful comments. I'll leave that post untouched, though, as is does accurately reflect what I was feeling at the time.

>121 jessibud2: Thanks for your kind comments, Shelley. You're absolutely right in stating that most white women here and in my social circle did not vote for trump, and many of those who did have expressed outrage at his positions and actions, and especially so after this weekend's march in Charlottesville. Yesterday's nasty comment on my Facebook thread by a former LT friend, in combination with my extreme anger at trump's now infamous comments, was the last straw, and from now on I will have no tolerance for any crap from anyone who hasn't proven themselves to me in the past, and I will swiftly respond by blocking or unfriending them.

What has been particularly disturbing lately, other than the obvious, is that I've received more attacks from LT trolls in 2017 than I have in all of the years that I've been a member of this otherwise fabulous group (I celebrated my 11th anniversary as an LTer in June). This makes me question whether LT is the safe haven that I thought it was, and makes me hesitant to participate here in the future. I may see if there is a way to adjust my profile settings, so that unapproved strangers can't post private messages to me in the future.

I would love to see trump impeached or removed from office; however, that won't address the problem of white supremacy here. My solution would be to give them a homeland, maybe Montana and Idaho, or alternatively or in addition Kentucky and West Virginia, and appoint trump as the Führer of the Aryan Nation of North America. I would gladly pay for a wall to be built around the new Fatherland that would separate them from the rest of the civilized United States, and North America.

I'll be very busy during the week I'll be in Edinburgh, and mainly away from Facebook and other forms of social media, which will be a welcome distraction from the events taking place in Amerika. I'll see four to six performances every day from Saturday through Thursday, and although I'll meet up with Claire and Rachael, at least, during my short visit to London I'll spend a good amount of time recuperating from Edinburgh! I doubt that I'll be able to mention all of my Edinburgh doings here, but I'll do my best to keep my Facebook timeline updated while I'm there, and catch up during my two week visit to my parents in early September.

>122 katiekrug: I certainly do, Katie, and I want to extend a special apology to you, for sticking up for me yesterday, along with Deborah. I viewed LT as a warm and welcoming community prior to this year, but I don't feel that way any longer, which has a lot to do with my decreased participation here. As you said I'm no longer willing to be polite, and I refuse to bite my tongue any longer to avoid offending those people who attack me, or anyone who continues to openly support trump.

125drneutron
Aug 16, 1:36pm Top

Let me just say at the start that I didn't vote for Trump, agree with you that he's racist, misogynist, and all-around hater who has actively encouraged and emboldened evil people to come out into the light of day. I'm actively trying to fight against the hate every chance I can. Let me also say up front that I hate Facebook: for me it's an opportunity for people to fight with no end. I've never seen a case where someone has changed their opinion based on Facebook posts, so I've chosen not to participate in Facebook exchanges and am instead devoting my energy to affecting people locally, and in person. I respect and appreciate the choice you and Katie have made to confront people in that space, and on the infrequent occasions when I check FB, yours (both of you) are some of the first posts I read. And I'm sorry that you've had to deal with people who have sent you hateful messages, both on FB and here. Especially here. You're not alone in your feelings about the country - we've been wondering about alternates for retirement too.

I think the majority of the group here views this place as a safe space to get away from the onslaught of the daily news. Speaking for myself only, I use this place as a get away to recharge batteries to give me the ability to affect things where I think it's more productive for me. If you need something more, I'm all for joining into a conversation on the issue. Given the bulk of the folks here, I think we could do it in a way that wouldn't descend into chaos.

Whatever you decide, I'm glad you're getting away, and I hope your time with Fliss and Margaret will be good. As to the rest of this year and going forward, let me just say that I think we'll lose a very valuable part of the group if you decide not to participate, and it'll be a loss for me personally, as I value your opinions on things. But you need to decide what's best for you and I'll support your decision.

126Oberon
Aug 16, 1:50pm Top

>124 kidzdoc: In my opinion the people who supported Trump own this mess and have a special obligation to take responsibility for what they empowered. I think there is no reason to be polite to those who will not refute what Trump has said or done and who are not ready to apologize for their choice. People who paid the least bit of attention in the election should have known this was coming or they wilfully turned a blind eye. Either way, they need to be looking in the mirror today and asking themselves what kind of America they want to live in.

I am troubled about the PMs you are getting through LT. I have gotten next to none so I had no idea that this was happening to you (or to anyone else). My sympathies and I hope you can find a way to block some of these people.

Enjoy Edinburgh and especially the plays. Warmest regards.

127torontoc
Aug 16, 2:40pm Top

Hi Darryl
I am so sorry that trolls have made your LT experience troubling ( to say the least)
I do view LT and this group as a way to get away from the terrible political happenings in the US. In fact it was difficult for my US family to talk about politics and they were very upset about the events in Charlottesville. I can PM you about the activities in the US by my activist niece and the organization that she works for.
Have a good vacation in Edinburgh!

128souloftherose
Aug 16, 2:43pm Top

{{{{Darryl}}}}

As a non-American and a white person I don't think my feelings of fear and anger about Trump can equal yours but I do have them and comparisons with 1930s Nazi Germany just seem more and more relevant..... And I'm horrified to hear people have been sending you attacks via PMs on LT. I think Tim & co do take those sorts of attacks seriously and if you wanted to report them it may get the individuals blocked permanently (and I believe they can do this by ISP address to stop the person creating another account and just doing the same thing). I think sadly and scarily Trump is effectively telling all sorts of people who previously thought their opinions would not be tolerated that they can voice their hatred with impunity. And so they are.

I hope your break in Edinburgh is relaxing, refreshing and encouraging.

A book-related point I wanted to mention - I've finally got round to reading my second Haruki Murakami novel this month (Kafka on the Shore) and I'm really enjoying it. I think I remember you encouraging me to try more of his books in our various London meetups so wanted to say thank you for that.

129torontoc
Aug 16, 2:49pm Top

Oh, one book related item- take a look at the book by Haruki Murakami that is a conversation with the conductor Seiji Ozawa -Absolutely on Music Conversations with Seiji Ozawa-

130katiekrug
Aug 16, 4:09pm Top

>124 kidzdoc: - No apology needed, my friend. Take care and enjoy your trip!

131pokarekareana
Aug 16, 4:33pm Top

I hope you enjoy your time over here in the UK - I apologise in advance for the weather! I'm also sorry to report that the news over here is not much better; our news sources are torn between Brexit-navel-gazing and intermittent gawps at the US. None of it is very encouraging, I'm afraid, but there is a lot to be said for bearing witness.

I don't know a lot of Americans in the real world - one is a vocal anti-Trump Californian who I'm proud to call a friend, and the other is a white female Trump voter from West Virginia (married to an African American who also voted Trump) whose views I really struggle to understand. I'm grateful for the insight and balance that you give, but I understand that you're paying a tremendous price for this. I'd like to thank you, though, for helping to shed some light on your experience for those of us outside the US.

132jnwelch
Aug 16, 5:01pm Top

Hi, Darryl.

Thank you for your frankness in >119 kidzdoc: and >124 kidzdoc:. I think we're at a point where we need to get it all out on the table. No futzing around. So I'm in full support of your continuing frankness and any necessary calling out or blocking, etc.

You know how I feel about Trump and the Nazis. Those who voted for him are going to have to live with it - and so are we, until probably 2020. How do we all respond? I'm a glass half full guy, and there's something to be said for having evil out in the open where we can see it - it gives the rest of us, the majority by far, the chance to reject it. This likely will be viewed as a definitive turning point in our country's history, and I know which way I want it to turn. Those who sat on their hands in the last election should be ashamed, and better get out there voting from now on. Not to mention all of us non-Nazis resisting in all the ways discussed here on your thread.

I'm sorry LT and the 75ers are disappointing you in various ways. As you know, I've confined my political discussions to Facebook. Jim's right, Facebook doesn't change anyone's mind, but it helps me to share with like-minded people and occasionally share some clear thinking, and to connect for resistance. As Jim put it, I've viewed LT as "a safe space to get away from the onslaught of the daily news". All of us need somewhere and some time to get away from the insanity. Maybe it's a waste to use LT that way, I don't know. We had a lot of pre-election political discussions on my thread and others, and we ended up with Trump.

Anyway, I can't blame you for any of your feelings, and it's distressing to me (I'm still a sap for the U.S. and its constant evolution - or is it devolution now) that you can't wait to live in some other country. How have we managed to create a country that would make a wonderful person like you feel that way? Jeez, I'm a child of the 60s - this isn't what we were trying to head for.

133Ireadthereforeiam
Aug 16, 7:17pm Top

Hi Darryl- I am all for a rant, especially if it is as well considered and articulate as yours. I think politics is impossible to separate from life, be that life a life of books, a life of activism, or even an inert life. I have been RL busy lately, and as a consequence haven't been on LT all that much. Sometimes I think LT is the safest place on the internet, as I am very sensitive to aggression and confrontation, and I love that most of us here support and very often agree with each other on the big issues.
Have a good break in the UK, and for one pray (even as a non-believer) that trump is ousted or denounced by all the worlds' leaders before your return.

134lauralkeet
Aug 16, 7:56pm Top

Darryl, I've been mostly a lurker here on your thread. As you know, I share your political views (as do many others who have commented here). I admit I was initially upset by your post (>119 kidzdoc:), and appreciate your follow-up in >124 kidzdoc:. This is a safe space and it's okay for you to vent when it all gets to be too much.

I also want to reinforce the suggestion others have made, that you should report the trolls. Given the surprise expressed here (and consider me surprised, because I haven't received any spammy/trolly PMs), it appears it might be more targeted than a random act. I am certain Tim et. al. would not tolerate this behavior.

I hope you have a wonderful trip and it restores your faith in humankind (at least parts of it ha ha).

135Berly
Aug 16, 8:15pm Top

Darryl--I am so sorry that LT does not feel like a safe place for you right now. It makes me very angry. Of course, I am angry, too, that there are so many haters in my own country and that a wonderful, caring, intelligent man like you feels this hate so much that you wants to retire elsewhere, just to get away.

Please do see if Tim et al can do anything to stop the trolls. I would be so sorry to lose you here. Thank you for sharing. Best wishes for a wonderful time abroad. Big hugs.

136SandDune
Aug 17, 3:57am Top

Darryl, I am so sorry that you are feeling as you are at the moment. I have been a little surprised that there has not been more discussion about the events in Charlottesville myself: I wonder if part of the reason is that people want to keep it a politics free space? (I'd noticed that you hadn't posted recently and nearly put a question on your thread a day or so ago, but decided that if you didn't want to talk about it yourself it wasn't for me to bring up the subject.) A lot of the LT people have been very active on Facebook on the same topics. As a non-US LTer I feel it's for the US people to take the comments forwards on these topics sometimes - my level of understanding doesn't really add much to the discussion. To virtually everyone in the U.K. Donald Trump is so obviously not fitted to be president that we tend to find the current situation incomprehensible. But just because we're not commenting doesn't mean that we aren't thinking about it.

Please don't think of all white women in the same way. One thing that strikes me most out of all of this is that we've got to stop putting people in little discrete boxes.

137Deern
Edited: Aug 17, 7:36am Top

Dear Darryl, I am shocked and angry to read what has happened to you here! First of all I’d like to echo what Jim and Rhian said.

Most of the time this group is a safe haven where book lovers unite over their latest read and sometimes share very personal stories and usually find incredibly kind and understanding readers and friends. I myself can’t deal well with aggression which is one of the reasons why I never became active on FB (my account has now been dead for over 2 years). In my early years here I witnessed one case of super-aggressive reactions and bad trolling and since then have been careful, maybe way too careful, not to write anything here that might accidentally touch anyone's religious or political or personal feelings. Therefore, I stayed out of the politics most of the time and often (just today in the Booker group) delete something before posting it. I'm willing to change that, in the sense of speaking out more often.

I don’t “get” Trump. I don’t get how any woman could vote for him, no matter the skin color. I don’t get how there can be any Nazi on Earth after what happened in Germany and has been documented on film for everyone to see (there are still people who doubt it all happened!). I don’t get hatred, even less if it’s against a person or group of people who haven’t done you any personal harm, who you don’t even know. I don't get how someone can just go and write insulting messages on the internet, all kinds of them (including also the "you're ugly and fat messages" women receive) and then feel better about themselves. Being trolled for eating lamb?? I don’t get how the Brexit decision can lead to openly demonstrated hatred against people who “look different” and "might be foreigners". I keep hearing those stories about “person XYZ had no chance in their lives and therefore felt attracted by group ABC where they found a home for their ego and felt better about themselves by acting out an imagined superiority over everyone else”. I don’t get how after all we should have learned from the Nazi experience, this can still happen, happens more and more, all the time, isn’t hidden anymore but worn with pride! How can any German in their right mind even consider voting for the AfD?!? But they do, and I better don’t mention discussions I’ve had with my parents in the last months.
What is wrong with us?!?

Sorry, despairing here. Please tell me what I can do except for my daily prayers that Trump, Erdogan and all the others go through a sudden enlightenment and strive for world peace (that's not a bad joke, I do that, I'm an ever hopeful pacifist). You have all my support! (and sorry for being a white woman and a German as well…)

138laytonwoman3rd
Aug 17, 7:19am Top

As a white American woman I feel totally helpless in the face of your anger and terror, Darryl, both of which are fully justified. Like others who have commented, I do find LT to be a safe haven where, if the horrors of our current situation come up in conversation, it is among like-minded individuals who share most of my feelings and fears. So I have treated it as a "bubble" where I can, for the most part, breathe clear air without worrying about the germ of hatred getting in. I'm sorry to learn that your experience has been otherwise. Facebook, on the other hand, is a minefield, so I go there with a completely different set of expectations. I respect your decisions about using both sites in a way that works for you in this climate. But just let me say that your intelligence, training and compassion are invaluable resources that our society needs desperately right now if we are to rise, rather than sink into utter darkness. I hope you will continue to draw on those personal strengths to keep yourself grounded, and that we can all find ways to channel the outrage to positive ends.

139RebaRelishesReading
Aug 17, 8:38am Top

>138 laytonwoman3rd: I was so saddened to hear that you have been experiencing attack here on LT that I couldn't react immediately. I've been thinking about it constantly since yesterday evening, trying to think what I could say, especially as a white, American woman (who most certainly didn't vote for Trump). I came back to your site this morning, still uncertain what I could say only to find that Linda said it perfectly right before me.

140lauralkeet
Aug 17, 9:55am Top

>139 RebaRelishesReading: Linda said it perfectly right ...
She sure did. Thanks Linda!

141streamsong
Aug 17, 10:23am Top

Enjoy your trip, my friend.

I am incredibly saddened to learn that you have been attacked and trolled.

I can't help but wonder if the lamb incident was from the same person who thought they knew my dog and what she needs better than I do.

I also keep LT as my haven and try not to talk politics. I cherish being able to talk about books with such a wide variety of people. I can't help but acknowledge that it may be white privilege to enjoy this aspect of LT and not let Trump invade and destroy it.

But no no no! Montana and Idaho, conservative red states that they are, don't want the Nazis. It makes me sad that you consider my beautiful state expendable. You don't want em. We don't want em. Maybe they could be convinced to enjoy a nice rocketship to the sun.

142drneutron
Aug 17, 12:52pm Top

>141 streamsong: Maybe they could be convinced to enjoy a nice rocketship to the sun

I'll get right on that! 😀

143FAMeulstee
Aug 17, 3:42pm Top

Dear Darryl, I was so sad after seeing such devastating news like in Charlotteville a few days back. And today in Barcelona, a complete other and yet the same... I am hugely privileged to live here in our sweet little mostly safe country, but yet both kinds are around here too.
(((hugs)))

144banjo123
Aug 17, 4:24pm Top

Darryl, I add my (((hugs))) and dismay that you have experienced online harassment here and on FB. I am one who has been distressed ever since the election (before, really) and recent events made it clear that Trump really is a white supremacist, and has emboldened his kind throughout the country.

I personally have a political action plan which I follow, trying to do my little bit. I am a natural optimist, and usually that makes me feel better, but I must say, that this week is just too awful, and none of the actions really change that feeling of horror at the pit of my stomach.

145Familyhistorian
Aug 17, 11:39pm Top

I am glad that you retracted some of your rant in >119 kidzdoc:, Darryl and I hope that the outpouring of views and support has demonstrated what a caring and supportive place LT is. I know that I have found it so. Although I can't walk in your shoes, being white, female and not living in the US, I share some of your concerns. Imagine for a moment, living in a place to the north of the US so having no US vote but, nevertheless, being affected by all the scary and negative things that keep escaping from our huge neighbour to the south. I just hope and wish that we will wake up soon and the nightmare will be over.

Enjoy your time in Edinburgh. I love that city and book events on top of that - bliss!

146thornton37814
Aug 18, 9:08am Top

>119 kidzdoc: Some of us are just in utter shock we're seeing such civil unrest in our country we feel inadequate to express words. I do not condone racism or supremacy of any group. God created us all in His image. I no longer trust any news outlet. Every one of them adds spin to the stories. I sometimes wish Sgt Joe Friday would tell them "Just the facts." (I just dated myself with that comment, I suspect.) I'm just spending a good deal of time in prayer -- prayer that somehow we can come together before the nation is completely destroyed. My read through the Bible plan featured Isaiah 47 last night. As I read that passage last night, I saw many similarities between the state of America today and Babylon. I pray America repents before it is too late.

147Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Aug 19, 5:08am Top

Your current costume Darryl? I didn't forget the hat...



Or are we going for this look ...



Enjoy Edinburgh.

148laytonwoman3rd
Aug 19, 8:31am Top

>147 Caroline_McElwee: I like that first outfit a lot. But maybe, just maaaybe not the shoes?

149avidmom
Aug 20, 1:50pm Top

>145 Familyhistorian: I am hoping, along with familyhistorian in >145 Familyhistorian: that, after the events of last weekend, this nightmare will soon be over. Bloody hell, what else needs to happen?!?!?!

Keep positive, kidzdoc, there are more kind, good people in the world than these wackadoos who crawled out from under a rock!

150Berly
Aug 20, 6:13pm Top

I kinda like the second one, and I don't normally go for skirts on guys!! (I know it is a kilt.)

151benitastrnad
Aug 21, 5:56pm Top

I want to add my support to you. I have been in a state of shock and anger for most of the last year regarding the rise of the great orange gasbag. I go to work everyday at an institution with a long racist and misogynist history and I have about had it. I keep telling myself that I only have 1 more year until I am eligible for retirement and I am thinking more and more about what an ill fit I am to Alabama and all it stands for. I just need to hang on for one more year.

Like you I don't do Facebook. I decided long ago that it isn't a forum that promotes anything except the demise of the US Postal service and of good communication, so take heart Darryl - not everybody participates in that hate filled space. I appreciate your "rants" and in fact don't consider them rants. I find them articulate and well reasoned statements of the things that bother you, and that bother a good many people in this bookish community.

I understand your need to put some space in your life but I want you to know that knowing you in this space has enriched my life on many levels. I hope that whatever happens regarding LT and you that you will not forget us. I hope that you know that you have our support (at least many of us who have followed your threads for several years). I also want you to know that in the last week I have decided that I can no longer be silent about some of this craziness and am going to call out some of the more egregious examples of this hate wherever I find it. It simply is not right.

152pokarekareana
Aug 21, 5:56pm Top

Bare legs in Scotland? You can't trust the British weather, so I'd go with the first option. (However, touch wood, we're in for a warmer spell this week)

153tiffin
Edited: Aug 21, 11:56pm Top

>147 Caroline_McElwee:: That's my clan tartan in the black and white, the mourning version. Feel free to wear it, Darryl!

ETA: I have been taking a bit of a hiatus here as well because of things going on in my personal life, so I hadn't realised that you were having problems with trolls and mean folks. I've just caught up with your situation because of something you said on FB. I'm not American but I'm a neighbour, so I have been watching events unfold with disgust and horror. It's as though a million rocks lifted up and these orcs crawled out from under them to wreak misery and destruction on the American society and psyche. You have my friendship and support, Darryl.

154Caroline_McElwee
Aug 22, 2:23pm Top

Where is our intrepid traveller? I've been looking forward to reports, you must be enjoying yourself far too much. Hmm, nope, can't be that, that's when you are usually bubbling in here.

155katiekrug
Aug 22, 3:40pm Top

He's been on FB and Twitter several times a day and looks/sounds to be having a wonderful time - just what the doctor ordered (see what I did there?) :)

156drneutron
Aug 22, 3:45pm Top

157jessibud2
Aug 22, 4:41pm Top

>155 katiekrug: - Well, that's good to hear/ Say hi for us, ok?

158Chatterbox
Aug 23, 3:38pm Top

I would just add my words to the above. We're no longer FB friends, for what reason I do not know, so I don't know what kind of inflammatory hullabaloo you're referring to. I have tended to keep my political stuff (of which there has been a considerable amount) on there, and my book-related posts to my thread. Indeed, my book-related posting on LT (if not my reading) has suffered as my political posts have increased in # on FB. Most recently, in addition to my first-hand comments from the counter-protest in Boston:

*"What is making me a little nuts in the "moral equivalency" debate isn't just the assertion that there are good people on both sides; it's the assertion that there are evil people and murderers on both sides. Let's stop and consider the facts. Since 9/11, and up to April 2017, of the 85 violent extremist incidents monitored/tracked by the GAO that resulted in death, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62, or 73%, with radical Islamists responsible for only 23%. You'll see the alt-right comparing the tragic deaths of Amber Merkle or Angie Leon to those of the two men in Oregon, attacked for trying to persuade a knife-wielding white supremacist harassing two young women to get off a commuter train; or the shooting death of a Garmin engineer, previously told to "get out of his country" by the alleged murderer; or Dylan Roof's murderous rampage, or, or, or.... Amber and Angie, you see, were killed by illegal immigrants, the narrative goes... The truth? Amber was a child killed in an automotive accident -- one of thousands of similar tragedies. Yes, the driver of the other car happened to be an undocumented individual, but could equally well have been a citizen. It's hardly the same as being killed because she was, say, white and a citizen. Similarly, Angie Leon was murdered by her domestic partner who, similarly, was undocumented. Had he been deported, hypothetically, she might still be alive. But domestic violence, and our lack of measures to address it is the real problem here. That's why she was murdered.
Forget these attempts at drawing moral equivalencies. They are offensive, both on their face and when you try to dig beneath the surface and look at the facts of the matter. I don't know whether the alt-right folks who promote them don't think coherently, or whether they hope that WE don't. "

*A link to Arnold Schwarzenegger's video telling Trump to man up

*A link to some of the Vice News videos

*"What to do with the Confederate statues? Lithuania has an idea. I've been there, and it kinda works. There are people who tour it and who are there to explain to their kids the evils of Communism, and how family members were shipped to Siberia in railway cars like the one on display. There are former members of Komsomol and Pioneer youth groups, being a bit nostalgic about childhood friendships, but who say they have no desire to go back to that world. And the statues are out of town squares and cities, where they would play a formal role in civic life and risk being made the center of some fetishistic rituals by neo-Stalinists. They have really become part of history."

*"Via a journalist friend:
Via a friend who is a UVA employee:

"I'm not looking at notifications at the moment but I wanted to hop on FB to share a few specifics that I learned from a very somber staff meeting with our Dean of Libraries just now. Some of these details may have been available in news reports but they were new to me. (1) Apparently on Friday night there was a "very low level" request for permission for a group of 20 people to read a speech at the Rotunda. This overture to the University was then bait-and-switched to the march with torches that circled Central Grounds. (2) During the white nationalists' intimidating march around Grounds, many UVA police officers were actually located downtown, where they had been seconded to support Charlottesville City police. (3) On Saturday, there were "several deliberate attempts to spread police thin" through tactics such as fake bomb scares in parts of town away from the main action. (4) By UVA policy, students and employees are prohibited from carrying firearms on Grounds, but by state law, because this is a public property, people with no University affiliation are allowed open carry without a permit and concealed carry with a permit. UVA can make policy enforceable on its own students and employees but not on the general public. ---> I am sharing all of this because I think there were several specific, calculated tactics by the white nationalists to leverage our laws and policies against us and to maximize the terrorizing effect of their activities in Charlottesville over the weekend. I believe the white nationalists are not done with us here in Charlottesville and I believe they will target other universities, university towns, and communities with progressive political reputations for similar attacks. I hope that forewarned is forearmed and that by disseminating information about the white nationalists' tactics we can be better prepared in the future.""

And a furious, heated debate with a friend of a friend, you know, the usual nonsense with a racist idiot. That's just one this week, of course. Many more in past weeks.

I think my view is that people come to my thread to read about the books I'm reading, and, to a very small extent, to see what's going on in my life. So I mentioned that I was at the counter-protest. But I think through the people I've met, I've gotten a sense of who they are as people, and how they view these issues. I know more or less what to expect from them (or what not to expect, as the case may be, because they are so caught up in their own stuff, or because they don't care, or because they just don't give a damn.) I don't live this daily, of course. I'm not a POC; I'm not working in the front lines as an activist and my reading doesn't revolve around these issues. So while I wake up every day anxious and terrified about the direction the country is taking, and looking for things I can do -- whatever they are -- to counteract that, those aren't necessarily things that (a) I talk about a lot or event want to worry about a lot publicly as much as I do privately and (b) if I do, it wouldn't necessarily be on LT, since for me, reading is kind of as much of a safe haven/escape valve as I can find right now.

I've had my own experiences with cowardly people taking to PMs to tell me what they believe I could/should be doing/thinking, or otherwise where I'm at fault for something, or "explaining" myself to me, and it's a tacky thing to do. Even more so if it comes from someone you've considered to be a friend or whatever-that-word-is-that-should-exist-between-friend-and-acquaintance-that-someone-needs-to-invent. It was in the wake of those experiences that I deliberately decided to keep my thread a space for books, and not for personal stuff. It's too easy, sometimes, for that to devolve not into friendships but into cliques, or into the kind of stuff you're describing. I love and cherish the friendships I've found on LT, but I don't want to put more weight on them.

I think all of us will follow and read what our friends are reading and comment on them with interest, even if that isn't what we are reading at the time. Obviously, we hope our friends will do us the same courtesy. When I follow the threads of people whose reading isn't intuitively what I might read, I discover stuff that might be off my beaten track but might still interest me, or views that might still be intriguing. I suppose what I'm saying is that perhaps by limiting yourself to only what you know interests you (not just in your reading, perhaps), you may miss something or someone that is of interest? What I have realized since Trump's election is that I need to broaden and not narrow the range of viewpoints and topics that I consider (and not in the J.D. Vance sense of "thou shalt listen to privileged angry white men"). Even on Sunday, at the counter-protest, talking to the people who were there -- what brought them there? First year students from Harvard, three weeks into classes; a Unitarian Universalist congregation; a graduate student at Brandeis and her boyfriend from Israel; some middle aged women from the 'burbs; two fast food workers; etc. etc. A whole array of voices I hadn't heard before.

OK, I'm rambling now. You'll need to make your own decision, and I'm not going to say you "must" or "should" do something -- that's simply obnoxious. Just that what appears on a thread or a page isn't what's going on in someone's head or mind, and that while I know that you -- like so many of us -- are stressed, anxious and furiously angry about what is happening, sometimes it's good to simply ask the question: Why aren't we discussing this? And perhaps even to set up some threads dedicated to discussing politics and political literature specifically? (Because I realize that a single month in the non-fiction challenge simply isn't enough; equally, it doesn't work for others to turn over the non-fiction challenge exclusively to this topic, although there are plenty of options to make each month's challenge work, if that's how people want to do it.)

Have fun in Edinburgh.

159weird_O
Aug 23, 4:42pm Top

>158 Chatterbox: Eeyoho! What a post. I agree with most, probably all, of your opinions. I appreciate the revealing nuggets about open carry and concealed carry regulations, about disingenuous permit applications, etc. etc.

Darryl, I hope you're getting some relief through your vacation. I do hope you'll make to the NYC meetup next month. I'm looking forward to seeing you again.

160Chatterbox
Aug 23, 6:00pm Top

>159 weird_O: Put me in front of a keyboard, and yeah, I'll just keep typing... *eyes roll*

161kidzdoc
Aug 27, 4:39am Top

Whew! I have a bit of catching up to do. Thanks for the many voices of support, everyone. I was in a particularly vulnerable place emotionally (and I do tend to be an emotional person), but spending an amazing week in Edinburgh, my favorite holiday week ever, has buoyed my spirits. I left on Friday, and I'll be in London until Wednesday afternoon. Bianca and I will meet for dinner tonight, I'll spend the day with Claire tomorrow, and I hope to see Rachael and/or Caroline on Tuesday.

After I return to Atlanta on Wednesday evening I'll spend Thursday in town, then fly to Philadelphia on Friday morning to visit my parents for two weeks. I plan to post summaries of most if not all of the 24 author readings and performances I saw in Edinburgh while I'm there.

162kidzdoc
Aug 27, 5:27am Top

>125 drneutron: Thanks for your kind words of support, Jim. In some ways Facebook, or at least my timeline there, is a safer place, as my settings are very restricted and only friends can post messages there. I have had to unfriend several people due to controversial posts that have hurt or offended me and/or close friends of mine, but that's only been a tiny minority of the people in my circle. The negative comments from LTers here have all been from strangers, and I have no way (at least not one that I know of) to keep trolls and spammers from posting on my thread or sending private messages to me. I think I'm in a much better mental place, though, so hopefully I won't be affected by future negative comments here.

I'll almost certainly cut back on my LT activity, at least in this group, which at times is far too time consuming to keep up with, although I'll remain active in Club Read at least.

I should add that I'm all for respectful debates about politics and other issues, but, without pointing fingers, the currrent climate in this country has made that all but impossible.

>126 Oberon: I couldn't agree with you more, Erik. I remain bitter and angry at those people who voted for trump despite his numerous and deep flaws and thought that he would change once he took the oath of office, and those people who stayed home and didn't vote. A close childhood friend of mine had been very vocal in his condemnation of trump, but after he essentially admitted that he didn't vote on Election Day I lost interest in anything he had to say about 45.

I have blocked a couple of LTers who left nasty messages on my 75 Books thread and my profile, and chose to ignore another person who made snide comments about a review I had written, about a matter so trivial and irrelevant that I couldn't possibly have known about it. I do like bookish people in general, but some of them/us IMO spend too much time huddled alone with their books or in libraries and have little or no social skills, online or in public. Fortunately nearly all of the LTers I've met in person or online have been well rounded, with numerous interests other than reading, like yourself.

The plays I saw were very good, taken as a whole, with most being cutting edge performances by new or lesser known actors and playwrights, and new plays by established ones that hadn't been performed previously. Many of them were one woman plays performed by the playwright, many of which took place in small venues before an audience of 20-30 people. The most moving performance I saw was the one that had the least attendance, a one woman play about child trafficking based on three true stories, which I, an English woman I befriended, and possibly one other man saw (we chatted with him, but I'm not sure that he saw that play or another one). The woman and I had tears in our eyes at the play's conclusion, and when the actress looked at us she started crying and had to retreat to the back of the stage to compose herself before she could speak with us. The English woman and I hugged her afterward, as all of us became teary again, and the actress, the director of the theatre company (Urban Trendz) and I chatted for a few minutes and exchanged contact information, as I suggested that a truncated version of her play would be perfect for a future national convention of the American Academy of Pediatrics, as we are recognizing the increasing problem of child trafficking in the US and are working to identify children that have falllen victim and help remove them from their situation before they are severely physically or psychologically damaged or, as happened to one of the girls mentioned in the play, die while in captivity.

If you haven't been to the Edinburgh Festivals, the Edinburgh International Festival, the Edinburgh International Book Festival, and especially the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, I would highly encourage you and everyone else to do so. Fliss had been trying to get me to go to it for several years, but I declined, thinking that it wouldn't be all that interesting. She and Margaret plotted to get me to go this year, and I can't thank them enough for doing so. Hopefully I can convince Joe & Debbi to join us there next year.

On a different note I will go to my first Atlanta United match next month, a weekday match against the Philadelphia Union on the 27th, in the new Mercedes-Benz Stadium, which I think just opened last night for a Falcons preseason football game. I'll definitely report on it here, and post photos of the stadium.

>127 torontoc: Thanks, Cyrel. It's been difficult for me to separate the personal from the political this year, but doing so to some degree is probably best for my mental health. I would be interested in learning more about your niece's political activities. I have become a member of a local group, Action Through Education, that seeks to build bridges, especially between native born Americans and recent immigrants, and between Christians, Jews and Muslims, to oppose trump and the radical right, and support progressive politicians. I'll become more active in the group later this year, once I settle down and stop traveling.

163kidzdoc
Aug 27, 5:44am Top

>128 souloftherose: Thanks, Heather. The one person who posted nasty comments on my thread earlier this year has become quite popular, it seems, but I've blocked her so that I don't have to read any more of her hateful comments. I blocked or ignored the two people who sent nastygrams to me on my profile page, and I haven't heard from either one since. I'll consider reporting anyone else to the Powers That Be in the future, though.

Edinburgh was amazing, as the performances were outstanding, the people were very friendly and welcoming, and the atmosphere was energizing. That was exactly what I needed after the events taking place in the US this year, and although I'm not looking forward to returning to the States next week, I'll do so in a much better frame of mind.

I'm glad that you're enjoying Kafka By the Shore. My LT account tells me that I've read it, but I'm not sure that I have, as I don't remember much about it! That's not typical for a Murakami novel, at least for me, so I'll plan to (re)read it in the near future.

>129 torontoc: Thanks, Cyrel! I'll check out that book, although after I bought half a dozen books in Edinburgh this week and five more from the London Review Bookshop yesterday I doubt that I'll buy any more books on this trip.

>130 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie!

164kidzdoc
Aug 27, 7:52am Top

>131 pokarekareana: Thanks, Jen. Actually the weather has been better than I expected, as it hardly rained when I was in Edinburgh and it's been warm and sunny in London so far. I've been told that I bring nice weather with me when I come to the UK, and that seems to be the case this time as well (touch wood).

Americans are a mixed lot, to say the least. I think you would like essentially every one in this group, but if you visited the US it wouldn't take long to run into some people you wouldn't, especially when you travel to small towns and rural areas where people tend to be more xenophobic, judgmental and narrow minded (i.e., trump country), although there are plenty of good people in those areas and bad ones in larger towns and major cities.

I know from the statistics that some African Americans voted for trump. IIRC 12% of AfrAm men did so, as did 6% of AfrAm women, which I find absolutely astonishing. I know of at least two African Americans who are openly Republican, but to my knowledge neither one voted for trump, and both have been highly critical of him. Given what I knew about trump before the election casting a vote for him would have been akin to voting for former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard (and avid trump supporter) David Duke when he was the Republican nominee for governor of the state of Louisiana, although Duke would probably have been a better choice as governor than trump was as president.

>132 jnwelch: Thanks for your supportive and thoughtful comments, Joe. I agree; the future of our great republic is at stake, and although I can't claim intimate knowledge of it the current state of the US feels like Germany just after Hitler came to power. Many people of apparent good will are remaining silent as trump makes a shambles of our democracy and our civil rights, and I fear that if he isn't impeached or steps down soon our country will be severely damaged by him and his cabinet. This is not a time to be silent, or to think that because our lives are ones of privilege and comfort that we don't have to speak out against injustice and intolerance. As you said I'm no longer willing to be tolerant of people who mistreat me or anyone else, and I'll be quick from now on to call them out and block them if I need to.

I agree with you about trump and the white supremacists. I would also add that leading members of the Republican Party must also be held responsible for supporting trump and for not speaking out against him. History will judge them based on the actions, or their silence.

I am incredibly grateful for the real life close friends I've made as a result of being a member of LibraryThing, including you and Debbi, who have enriched my life tremendously. I mentioned this to Fliss and Margaret this week, as I almost certainly would never have gone to the Edinburgh Festivals if it wasn't for them, and having friends to visit and meet up with in the UK makes my visits there that much more rewarding and special. For that reason I will likely maintain at least some presence in this group, at least for the remainder of this year.

I agree with you about Facebook being a place where like minded people can exchange views and information in a relatively safe space. I can limit what my unenlightened friends can see by adjusting my friend settings, and severely restrict or block others who post controversial comments or seek to hurt my or my friends' feelings.

As an African American I know that I am despised and feared by a large percentage (but hopefully not a majority) of white Americans, and that I and people who look like me are not welcome in many small towns and rural areas throughout the country. However, I have never felt as pessimistic for the future of the United States or as out of place within it as I have in the past year, and I feel increasingly more at home abroad than I do stateside (my week amongst incredibly friendly Scottish people, including the two men from Edinburgh who shared a table with me at The Jazz Bar this past Saturday, provided that much more confirmation of my love for the countries and peoples of Western Europe).

I just finished making plans for tomorrow with Claire (Monday is a Bank Holiday in the UK). I'll meet Bianca for dinner tonight, at a Peruvian restaurant close to London Bridge Station, and meet her and Claire for dinner tomorrow night as well. I'll send best wishes from you and Debbi to both of them.

165kidzdoc
Aug 27, 8:04am Top

>133 Ireadthereforeiam: Thanks, Megan. My tendency to rant when I feel aggrieved is well known at work, as I'm generally very pleasant and easy to get along with, but I also have no hesitation to make myself heard when I feel I need to.

I would have claimed LibraryThing as the safest place on the Internet until this year, but 2017 has taught me that no place is truly safe.

>134 lauralkeet: Thanks, Laura. My faith in humanity outside of the US has been confirmed and even more solidified, but I only have to remember the redneck from Mississippi who was my seat mate on last week's flight from Atlanta to Amsterdam and kept elbowing me as I was trying to sleep, and the other Southerner in my row who loudly praised Southern heritage to the young woman sitting next to him throughout the flight, which was clearly meant for my 'benefit", as I could hear him even while wearing headphones, to remind myself that this faith does not apply to white Americans, taken as a whole.

>135 Berly: Thanks, Kim. I won't hesitate to report name callers or other harassers from now on.

166kidzdoc
Aug 27, 8:16am Top

>136 SandDune: Thanks, Rhian. I feel similarly hesitant to comment about post-Brexit politics in the UK, although I often think about it, along with you and my felllow British friends, as well.

I agree that we should stop putting each other into boxes. However, Americans are good at making assumptions about people of color, especially African Americans, especially lately, which makes it more different for me to be open minded and not make assumptions about the good will and open mindedness of strangers I encounter there.

>137 Deern: Thanks, Nathalie; no apology needed from you! As you said, I still cannot understand why any woman could have cast a vote for trump, given his extremely misogynistic comments and actions, especially when his opponent was a well educated, highly respected feminist who although not perfect was, IMO, one of the greatest role models for young women that this country has produced. The vitriol spewed by many white women against her was astonishing and very confusing to me; perhaps someone can make me understand their extreme negativity towards her.

>138 laytonwoman3rd: Thanks for your kind and supportive words, Linda!

167kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 28, 5:15am Top

>139 RebaRelishesReading:, >140 lauralkeet: Thanks, Reba and Laura.

>141 streamsong: I can't help but wonder if the lamb incident was from the same person who thought they knew my dog and what she needs better than I do.

I wouldn't doubt it, Janet. Some people feel obligated to share their unsolicited, holier than thou opinions with you, sometimes in a very hateful manner. I've blocked her and won't read any of her posts in the future, so she can spew whatever she wants to on LT.

ETA: Yep. It's the same person.

Apologies for my wish to make your state the future Fatherland of the Aryan Nation of North America! Maybe we could choose North and South Dakota, along with Methland (Kentucky and West Virginia), instead.

>142 drneutron: Thanks, Jim!

>143 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita. BTW, did the police find out who caused the cancellation of the concert in Rotterdam earlier this week?

168kidzdoc
Aug 27, 8:40am Top

>144 banjo123: Thanks, Reba. trump's pardoning of former Sheriff Joe Arpaio is further evidence that he is a white supremacist, despite his feeble claims to the contrary.

I wish I could share your natural optimism about Americans and the future of this country. As an African American, that simply isn't possible, though.

>145 Familyhistorian: Thanks, Meg. Edinburgh was amazing, and Fliss, Margaret and I were already discussing plans to return next year when we met for drinks on Thursday.

>146 thornton37814: Some of us are also in utter shock at the resurgence of white nationalism and extreme xenophobia in the United States, especially from so called Christians, who clearly worship a God who is very different from the one I was taught and believe in. I'm also dismayed at the lack of moral outrage from the religious right, who gave their support to such an immoral and evil man.

169kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 27, 11:53am Top

>147 Caroline_McElwee: 😂 Yikes, Caroline! I don't think I would be caught dead in either of those outfits. I read your post earlier this week when I was in Edinburgh, and took a selfie of my far more subdued garb before I left my hotel room:



>148 laytonwoman3rd: Definitely not the shoes, and not the pants, cane or toothpick either. I would wear a black fedora with that jacket instead of a gray one.

>149 avidmom: As someone (maybe Joe?) posted on Facebook this week, for African Americans this nightmare has been ongoing since 1640. It may be over one day, but I won't live to see it.

>150 Berly: Agreed, Kim. I thought about buying a kilt when I was in Edinburgh, but I was so busy running from one performance to the next that I didn't give it a second thought. Maybe next year...

170kidzdoc
Aug 27, 9:06am Top

>151 benitastrnad: Thanks for your supportive and heart felt comments, Benita; I greatly appreciate them. Can I assume that you'll return to Kansas after you retire from your current position?

>152 pokarekareana: I think I can handle cold legs better than cold feet or hands, so that outfit is still doable for me, even in Scotland. I heard on the BBC this morning that tomorrow is supposed to be the warmest Bank Holiday on record in England, presumably for late August, but possibly for all prior Bank Holidays? It's supposed to hit 28 C (82 F) in central London tomorrow, and 26 C (79 F) today.

>153 tiffin: Thanks, Tui! I shall wear your tartan with pride.

Those millions of rocks were always there, but they became more prominent after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, and they gained a voice when trump announced his candidacy in 2015 or 2016. What is different, perhaps, is the large number of younger white men and women who have joined the nationalist ranks; as someone else posted on Facebook the problem is no longer your racist old uncle, it's now your racist son.

171kidzdoc
Aug 27, 9:12am Top

>154 Caroline_McElwee: I had no time to post on LT while I was in Edinburgh, Caroline. It was all I could do to post updates on Facebook, and tweet about the performances I saw and liked, as the actors requested that the audience members do to encourage others to attend their shows. On days like Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, when I saw five performances each day, I was rushing from one event to the next, often times with less than half an hour to spare between them, grabbing quick bites and having drinks or meals with Fliss, Margaret, and her sister Vicky. LT was hardly on my mind!

We are friends on Facebook, so feel free to look at my timeline to see what I was up to, as others have done.

>155 katiekrug: Right you are, Katie!

>156 drneutron: Snerk, indeed.

172kidzdoc
Aug 27, 9:22am Top

>157 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley! I'll be more active here next week, after I arrive in Philadelphia to visit my parents. I decided to sleep in this afternoon, as I was exhausted after a whirlwind week in Edinburgh and two relatively sleepless nights in London. I'll finish catching up here, then take a nap for a couple of hours before I meet Bianca for dinner.

>158 Chatterbox: We're no longer FB friends, for what reason I do not know

Umm...perhaps you've forgotten, but you unfriended me on Facebook several years ago, Suzanne, which I found out about when I attempted to share something with you but was unable to. You had said at the time that you were unfriending several people for some reason that I can't remember, and apparently I was one of them.

>159 weird_O: I probably won't make it to the NYC meet up, as I want to maximize the amount of time I spend with my family, although I won't make a firm decision until I arrive at my parents' house on Friday. I hope that y'all have a great time if I don't make it.

Woo! I'm not completely caught up with posts prior to >124 kidzdoc:, but that will have to do for now, as I need a nap. Happy Sunday, everyone!

173laytonwoman3rd
Aug 27, 11:43am Top

Good to see you here, Darryl. Your experience in Edinburgh sounds amazing, and I'm glad you had such a wonderful, refreshing vacation. I'd be a bit overwhelmed with so many performances in such a short period of time, but you seemed to have no trouble taking it all in. I have to say, your outfit in >169 kidzdoc: is so much more to my taste than the slightly more...ummmm...interesting examples Caroline shared. Trust yourself fully in that department!

174jnwelch
Aug 27, 2:59pm Top

Great to have you back posting, Darryl. Looks like you're having a wonderful time. I can't believe your theater stamina.

Yes, please give our best to Bianca and Claire. It's so hard not to be there! If we'd won the Powerball millions, our first anything was going to be getting to London pronto.

Edinburgh and the Fringe Festival are definite possibilities for next year. We loved both when we went a few years ago. Debbi is looking forward to conferring with you about it.

175benitastrnad
Aug 27, 7:52pm Top

#170
I am not sure where I will go when I retire. Increasingly Kansas is becoming an uncomfortable fit for my liberal views. I will not be staying Alabama. I find I have more in common with my German friends than I do with Alabamans or Kansasns, for that matter. Also, the European lifestyle seems to be a better fit.

I am so happy to read about your Edinburgh experiences. I have long wanted to go to this festival (ever since I read about it in a Kate Atkinson novel) but have not done so. I can't wait to read about your meet ups and see what you are eating.

176benitastrnad
Edited: Aug 27, 8:20pm Top

I watched a very good presentation on CSPAN2 this morning by the black law school professor Angela J. Davis. The book she just edited is titled Policing the Black Man. In that talk she spent a great deal of time discussing the role of the prosecutor in our judicial system. One of the things she said was that we need to pay more attention to who we elect in these positions. We need to back up our marches and our protests with a presence at the voting booth. It is not enough to vote in national elections - we have to vote in local elections as well. If we don't like what we get we need to vote the bastards out and vote in new people.

She was a powerful speaker and she made me realize that I need to do more to promote change. I volunteered once to work in an election in Alabama (for a local judge position) but I need to get more active and show up for candidate rally's and other political events.

177Whisper1
Aug 27, 8:10pm Top

>169 kidzdoc: Dear Dapper Fellow! You look absolutely marvelous.

178benitastrnad
Edited: Aug 27, 8:21pm Top

#169
You look marvelous! Even if it isn't a plaid.

179Chatterbox
Aug 27, 8:25pm Top

>172 kidzdoc: Ugh, I don't think/recall having unfriended you? I know I periodically do purges of people that I don't have much contact with, when I realize that I accepted friendship requests from them, don't know them and then end up having little back and forth with them. I also have sadly had to remove a few people who have died, and removed two people for violating my own TOS, which is not to offend my other friends (one followed me on to another friend's more open page, and started harassing people there with obnoxious comments...) But none of those would have fit you, so I can only assume that if it happened at my end, it was accidental, possibly hitting your name by accident in a purge, in which case, my apologies...

In any event, I shall be at the NYC meetup, as my friend G has his anniversary colonscopy the day before -- to see if he's cancer free and thus whether he can talk to cardiologists in NYC about getting on a heart transplant list. LA is also willing to put him on a transplant list, but he'd rather do it in NYC. So if you do decide to venture into the city on the Saturday, I may see you there. I'll have to whisk back to Providence to deal with my sick cat, then. We all get older, and our health problems, they multiply. At least all that happened at the Boston counter-protest was some kind of weird sunscreen allergic reaction on my arms.

Glad Edinburgh was fun. A friend of mine sent me some links to a very funny comedy routine she saw about the last of the red-haired people -- that climate change apparently is doing away with them. And other friends have been reporting back on various plays and other events, so it sounds as if it was a great time, generally.

I'm just relieved that no one I know was in Barcelona when the terrorists struck there. You know how several people you know seem to head to the same place each year on vacation? This year seems to have been the turn of Venice and Barcelona, and three different friends, all unknown to each other, had just left. And now it looks as if these Nazi thugs are borrowing tactics from the ISIS playbook, which makes me v. nervous. No one yet has commented on that similarity, that I have seen.

180ChelleBearss
Aug 28, 9:20am Top

Glad to see that you had a wonderful holiday and that your holidays will continue with your family.

I don't comment on political stuff on LT because as a Canadian I don't feel I have any right to involve myself in American politics. Other than stating that Trump is ridiculous and I seriously hope he gets impeached soon.

I hope you will consider sticking around LT for the books and chats but I understand that it would be hard if you are being attacked by LT members, which I find appalling! I hope it wasn't by anyone that I know!

181Oberon
Aug 29, 12:24am Top

>162 kidzdoc: I haven't been to Edinburgh much less to any of the festivals. I have high hopes of getting over to Europe in the next 2 to 3 years as the kids get a bit older and can appreciate it. Dublin, London, Edinburgh and Paris are leading candidates.

I envy the theater experience you describe. In addition to the Guthrie which I rave about Minneapolis has a vibrant smaller theater scene that I almost never see. The Guthrie itself has a small black box theater where they stage newer, more experimental work. It just isn't something that is in the cards for me right now with the time constraints with the kids. I will just have to live vicariously through your experience.

Enjoy your Atlanta United experience. They really could make the playoffs which is quite the feat. As for the Loons, I am optimistic we can avoid being last. We shall see.

On politics I am afraid I have yet to find my way forward. I am not much of a fan of marches and protests but I worry that by bunkering down into my comfortable life that I am fulfilling MLK's quote about the white moderate who prefers order to justice.

The only solution that jumps readily to mind is to pursue political office myself but I doubt I could suffer the public sufficiently to win an election. Such musings put me in a very undemocratic mood.

I will thus simply echo the hope that you remain active here for I greatly enjoy the interaction but I understand if you choose otherwise.

182Caroline_McElwee
Aug 29, 2:07pm Top

Been meaning to ask how you are doing with Swing Time, Darryl. I was really looking forward too it, and ultimately I gave it 4 stars, but that was pretty much for the second half of the novel. It's not as good as White Teeth or On Beauty IMO.

183Ireadthereforeiam
Aug 29, 5:03pm Top

>164 kidzdoc: re: trump-voters. I found this really interesting video on the Cato Institute Facebook page of some research done as to who exactly voted for the guy. They found that five quite distinct groups, who you would assume to have quite different world views, values and lives, were responsible.



I can't find the actual video on their page, but I shared it to my own fb page for my own reference reference, and I have just changed that from private to "Darryl" (if you want to check it out).

184kidzdoc
Aug 30, 4:17am Top

Today is my last day in London, as my flight from Heathrow to Atlanta leaves in a little over six hours. I'll finish catching up here, then create a new thread sometime tomorrow and list what I saw and did and who I met in Edinburgh and London.

>113 avidmom: I bought Lincoln in the Bardo from the bookshop at the Edinburgh International Book Festival, and I'll plan to read it next month (yikes, where did August go?).

I need to write a review of The Underground Railroad; I'll do that tomorrow.

>114 benitastrnad: I'm glad that you enjoyed your ratatouille, Benita. I'm not sure that I've ever had it, so I'll have to give it a try this autumn.

I assume that you've already taken your vacation to Kansas, unless you're still there. I hope that it was an enjoyable one. I'm looking forward to seeing my parents on Friday, as I haven't visited them since May. I'm a bad son, who spends more time with his friends in Europe than with the mother who fed and burped him, and changed his nappies.

>115 Berly: I'm here for the moment, Kim!

185kidzdoc
Aug 30, 4:22am Top

>116 PaulCranswick: Hi, Paul!

>117 Ireadthereforeiam: Hmm...lots of art and cultural events and good food in Edinburgh and London, but recipes will have to wait until this weekend. Oh! Actually I think I have tried one or two new recipes that I liked, which I don't think I posted here or in The Kitchen. I'll check on this later this week.

>118 souloftherose: Hi, Heather! Being outside of the US and amongst my UK based friends in Edinburgh and London has boosted my spirits tremendously, and visiting my parents for two weeks will add to my good vibes.

186kidzdoc
Aug 30, 4:58am Top

>173 laytonwoman3rd: Thanks, Linda. The Edinburgh Festivals were amazing, as everyone was in a good mood, including local residents. The only cross person I encountered was a Transport for Edinburgh bus driver, who was peeved at a lorry parked in a lane on the Royal Mile that was badly impeding the flow of traffic. The streets and venues were buzzing with excitement, and practically everyone I encountered made me feel very welcome and seemed pleased that I chose to visit their fabulous city. I started out slow, as I skipped the three events I had planned to see last Friday, the day I arrived, and only saw nine events in my first full three days, before seeing 15 the next three days, including daily meet ups for meals and drinks with Fliss, Margaret, and her younger sister when we weren't seeing things together. Fliss was seeing six or seven events per day, and staying out until the wee hours of the morning (2-3 am) most nights. I had two late nights, but that was all that I could handle. I could have seen more things, but I would have been even more exhausted than I already was, but I'll gladly accept that fatigue over missing the events that I did see.

Margaret took a selfie of the two of us, just before we saw the Colombian circus troupe Circolombia perform at the Underbelly's Circus Hub on Thursday night, which was the last event I attended:



I'm glad that you like my more subdued outfit! That one is more to my liking as well.

>174 jnwelch: Thanks, Joe. It helps that nearly all of the performances and events lasted no longer than an hour, so seeing five things in one afternoon and evening was doable. Nearly all of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe events took place in Old Town and on or near the campus of the University of Edinburgh, which meant that it was almost always easy to walk from one venue to the next. Many of the venues had multiple events taking place simultaneously in one location, which made it even easier to go from one to the other. The biggest challenge was determining which things to see on any given day. There were over 50,000 Fringe performances in over 350 venues last year, which I assume doesn't include the street performances, several of which I saw, and the dozens of events at the Edinburgh International Festival and the Edinburgh International Book Festival, which I participated in as well. You simply have to accept that you can't possibly see everything!

I had a lovely evening with Bianca on Sunday, as we dined at Tito's, a fabulous Peruvian restaurant close to London Bridge Station that a friend of hers told her about, followed by a leisurely walk through Borough Market and along the south bank of the Thames. Claire and I had an excellent lunch on Monday (a Bank Holiday in England) at Bala Baya, a new favorite restaurant that specializes in Israeli cuisine, which is built within an overpass for trains going to and from Blackfriars Station and is close to Tate Modern. We saw an exhibition on art during the Black Power Movement in the US at Tate Modern, along with a portion of a free outdoor jazz set outside of the National Theatre, followed by a light dinner at Le Pain Quotidien. She had just gotten back from a vacation in the Himalayas with friends of hers (her Facebook photos are stunning!) on Sunday, so I'm glad that the timing worked out for us to meet on Monday. Both of them are doing well at the moment.

I would say that I'm a definite for Edinburgh next year, and I'm 99.9% certain that Fliss, the Queen of the Fringe, will go as well. Hopefully Margaret, her sister, and Rachael and her family can also come. Fliss, Margaret & I started making plans last October, I think, so I'll keep you and Debbi in the loop.

187kidzdoc
Aug 30, 5:10am Top

>175 benitastrnad: I hear you, Benita. Atlanta is sufficiently diverse and progressive as a place to retire, but the arts scene is rather dismal for a major city. I've lived there for 20 years, and I've seen fewer plays in that time (definitely one, maybe two) than in one day in Edinburgh last week. The Northeast would be fine, but the high cost of living is off putting. Europe would be a much more appealing option, especially Spain with its surprisingly low cost of living, and it would be nice to be close to my friends in the UK and the Netherlands.

I posted photos and brief performance descriptions of Edinburgh on my Facebook timeline, which I'll expound upon in my new thread later this week.

>176 benitastrnad: Thanks for mentioning that presentation by Angela Davis on CSPAN2. I'll have to see if I can watch it after I arrive at my parents' house on Friday.

>177 Whisper1:, >178 benitastrnad: Thanks Linda and Benita!

188kidzdoc
Aug 30, 5:28am Top

>179 Chatterbox: I'm glad to hear that your unfriending of me was accidental, Suzanne. I had wondered what I could have done to offend you!

I'll report on most if not all of the events I saw in Edinburgh. Two of the performers I saw were good, but everything else was very good or excellent.

>180 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle!

>181 Oberon: You'll have to keep me abreast of your European plans when the time comes, Erik, as there is at least a fair chance that I will be in Western Europe as we, especially in summertime.

I love seeing plays in smaller venues, including ones in London such as the Finborough pub theatre near Earl's Court where Paul Harris and I saw Incident at Vichy this spring. Edinburgh was even more conducive to expermental works, as I saw at least half a dozen one person plays performed before mostly small audiences (25-50 people).

Hopefully I can encourage three other people to accompany me to see the Atlanta United vs Philadelphia Union match next month. I bought four discounted tickets through my employer, to see if I could entice two soccer-hating friends of mine (and the son of one of them) to attend with the offer of free tickets, but that wasn't sufficiently alluring.

I need to become a more active participant in the Resistance, but there is at least one local grass root group that I'm a member of that would fit the bill. Expressing my outrage on Facebook and here isn't accomplishing very much.

189kidzdoc
Aug 30, 5:33am Top

>182 Caroline_McElwee: I didn't bring my copy of Swing Time to Edinburgh, Caroline, so I'm still stuck on the first chapter. I should get to it this autumn, and perhaps sooner if it's chosen for the Booker Prize shortlist.

>183 Ireadthereforeiam: Thanks for mentioning that video to me, Megan. I watched it earlier this morning, and the conclusions of that survey do seem to be legitimate.

I'd better get dressed and head to Heathrow. I'll check back in tonight after I arrive in Atlanta, or sometime tomorrow.

190charl08
Aug 30, 7:10am Top

Hey Darryl. I've been trying to think of something to say and struggled to find the right words. So forgive me for not having the right ones. I have been thinking about you: I'm so sorry this isn't a safe space. So glad Edinburgh was a wonderful break.

191tangledthread
Aug 30, 11:18am Top

Looking forward to your review of Underground Railroad. I think you will like Lincoln in the Bardo...for me it was similar to reading a play.

Also, maybe this article will bring you some hope: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/trump-is-really-really-unpopular-wi...

At least it did for me.

192jnwelch
Aug 30, 12:14pm Top

>186 kidzdoc: Sounds so good, Darryl! We'll look forward to hearing more about Edinburgh 2018. :-)

193FAMeulstee
Edited: Aug 30, 3:33pm Top

>167 kidzdoc: >143 FAMeulstee: The police picked up two suspects, Darryl.
One had gas cylinders in his van and drove a bit peculiair, he was released because he used the cylinders for his work and his driving was because of a bit too much alcohol.
The other is still held, although he doesn't fit the usual profile at all. But apparently he put something out at the web about the cancellation of the concert before even the police knew...

Safe travels home!

194kidzdoc
Edited: Aug 31, 11:50am Top

I made it back to Atlanta safely but very late, as my flight from London arrived at 1:30 this morning, 5½ hours after the scheduled arrival time. Shortly after we left the gate at London Heathrow (LHR) the pilot determined that there was a fault in a key sensor. Heathrow is not one of the major hubs for Delta Air Lines (it uses Schiphol in Amsterdam (AMS) and De Gaulle in Paris (CDG)), and since this was the last of the three Delta flights from LHR to ATL yesterday the plane would have had to have been repaired yesterday, or we would have had to spend the night in Heathrow and take a Delta or Virgin Atlantic flight the following day. Fortunately the problem was detected, and a replacement part was installed, although our flight left at 9 pm BST (British Summer Time) instead of 3:25 pm. The flight was less than ¼ full, and the few passengers on board took the delay amazingly well, even though it was clear before we took off from LHR that a majority of them would have to spend a few hours in Atlanta, either at ATL or in a nearby hotel, as there was no way that they would make their connecting flights. Once we took off the flight proceeded without a hitch, and I was able to sleep for most of the nine hour flight, as did practically everyone else on board.

>190 charl08: Thanks for your kind thoughts, Charlotte. Edinburgh was a blast, and I look forward to returning there next year for an even longer visit.

>191 tangledthread: I'm really groggy, so I doubt that I will write my review of The Underground Railroad today, especially since I have to unpack, do laundry, and re-pack for my flight to Philadelphia tomorrow morning. I'm glad that you liked Lincoln in the Bardo. I bought a copy of it at the bookshop on the grounds of the Edinburgh International Book Festival last week, and I'll almost certainly bring it with me tomorrow.

On one hand I'm pleased that the vast majority of young voters are opposed to trump. However, it would have been far better if they displayed that strong opposition last November and turned out to oppose him at the polls on Election Day. Their opposition now is not very meaningful, as trump is in office and is doing unspeakable damage to the fabric and reputation of this country, so unfortunately I can't share your optimism and hope at the present time.

>192 jnwelch: Will do, Joe! I'll keep a close eye to find out when the dates of the 2018 Festivals are announced, and let you know about that and when Fliss plans to go. It's helpful to book hotel rooms well in advance, to get the best rates and to ensure that you will get a room, preferably one within walking distance of the venues. Fortunately I had some degree of familiarity with Old Town and especially the Royal Mile after my first visit to Edinburgh in 2014, and my decision to stay at the Radisson Blu Edinburgh, on the Royal Mile close to the junction of North Bridge and South Bridge, was a good one, as I could walk to most Fringe events, take buses or walk to New Town for the International Festival and International Book Festival events that I attended, and walk to Edinburgh Waverley Station to take a Virgin East Coast Main Line train to London. It was also easy to reach my hotel from Edinburgh Airport, as I took a route 35 Transport for Edinburgh bus, which stopped just outside of the main departure gate and dropped me off on the Royal Mile less than 100 feet from the hotel, at a cost of £1.60.

>193 FAMeulstee: Yikes. I'm glad that no one was hurt in Rotterdam, Anita.

195jnwelch
Aug 31, 12:22pm Top

>194 kidzdoc: Sounds good, Darryl. We're able to lock in early.

Some day we'll tell you the tale of our first Edinburgh trip - we couldn't find a hotel room anywhere, due to the festival and the Military Tattoo. We lucked out in having a friend whose Scot friend put us up in his family's house on Prince Street. It was perfect, and he has since become a good friend, too, having married the first friend and moved to the Chicago area!

196kidzdoc
Aug 31, 1:23pm Top

>195 jnwelch: Excellent, Joe. I think I booked my hotel in Edinburgh in November, and definitely before the New Year, when hotel rooms were plentiful and rates were quite low.

Wow! You & Debbi did luck out by getting a last minute place to stay on Princes Street. (For those unfamiliar with Edinburgh that is the main street of New Town.) This year the Book Festival was held on Charlotte Square, which is very close to Princes Street, but all of the Fringe events I attended were in Old Town or near the university, and the two International Festival events were held at Usher Hall and the Royal Lyceum Theatre, which were a reasonable walk (just under a mile) from my hotel on the Royal Mile. (I did take a bus back, though, to avoid the significant uphill climb to Edinburgh Castle on what would have been a dark and deserted road in the late evening hours.)

I just picked up my ticket for the matinée performance of "Hamilton" at the PrivateBank Theatre in Chicago on September 17th; I'll see it with two of my closest friends from residency, and from there a group of eight of us will meet for an early dinner at Girl & the Goat.

197jnwelch
Aug 31, 3:50pm Top

Can't wait to hear what you think of "Hamilton". What an amazing piece of work.

198kidzdoc
Sep 1, 11:00pm Top

Will do, Joe. When and where did you see it?

199Ameise1
Sep 2, 11:30am Top

>169 kidzdoc: great selfie of you.

Wishing you a wonderful time at your parent's place and happy weekend, Darryl.

200avidmom
Sep 2, 7:14pm Top

>194 kidzdoc: I work with high school kids & so many of them last year - even though they were finally old enough to vote - told me they were deliberately NOT voting because they were so confused, disheartened, discouraged (throw any dis-, negative word you can in the mix). As encouraging as I tried to be, I'm afraid so many of our young voters just "sat this one out."

*sigh*

And here we are.

*doubt sigh*

201kidzdoc
Sep 3, 1:39pm Top

>199 Ameise1: Thanks, Barbara. I'm having a good time with my parents, and I hope that you're enjoying your weekend as well.

>200 avidmom: Yep. That was certainly a great decision for people to sit out last year's election, especially for younger voters who will pay for their indifference for decades to come. If it was up to me anyone who wishes to participate in a protest march against trump would be required to prove that they voted in the 2016 presidential election. If they didn't vote, and don't have a valid excuse to explain why they didn't, then they have to stay home, sit down, and shut the f*** up.

At the risk of being a crabby old man, too many of my people, and whites who participated in the Civil Rights Movement, died, were injured, lost their jobs, or were forced to move as a result of laying their lives and livelihoods on the line so that I could have the right to vote. This includes my beloved maternal grandmother, who participated in the 1963 March on Washington, where Dr Martin Luther King, Jr gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. I was two years old at the time, and Nana wanted to bring me along with her on the bus ride from NYC to Washington, but my mother vetoed that idea. (Mothes ruin everything.) If I choose not to vote, then to me that's the same as slapping my grandmother, and others like her who could not vote where they originally lived (she brought my mother and her two sisters from south Alabama to NYC during World War II while my grandfather was in the US Army, and he joined them after the war, and worked in menial jobs to give her family a better life). Seeing people disrespect that fundamental and precious right we have as Americans, especially African Americans whose descendants could not vote in many cases, drives me half out of my mind. AfrAms who did not vote may not have made a difference in 2016, but if a thousand or so of AfrAm Floridians had made the effort to vote, we almost certainly would have had Al Gore as POTUS instead of George W. Bush.

202kidzdoc
Sep 3, 1:40pm Top

Sigh. I think it's time for a new, less toxic, thread...

203Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Sep 3, 2:26pm Top

Interesting to learn more about your family Darryl.

I get as cross with women who don't vote. I managed to get two women on my street (both older than I) to start voting when I reminded them that women were tortured and some died striving to get women the vote. I'm not comparing this to the bigger civil rights history, just to the voting history.

As for young people not voting, that's tough as they have so little experience to base their decision on, so I guess their insecurity might be explainable. What concerns me more is how many people who wanted to vote were obstructed from voting, especially in the AfrAm areas. I have friends who reported their difficulties. Fewer places to vote in primarily AfrAm areas etc.

204jnwelch
Sep 6, 10:22pm Top

>198 kidzdoc: We saw "Hamilton" here in Chicago, Darryl, right at the beginning of its run. (Prices in NY were crazy high). People were levitating off the seats at the beginning of it here, the excitement was so high.

We were just talking about how we want to see it again. So, so good.

205avidmom
Sep 7, 1:08am Top

>201 kidzdoc: That is quite a history your family has!

In all fairness to my high school kids, many of them did indeed "sit this one out" but many more were just as anxious, excited and proud to go vote for the first time and they DID.

There was also quite a lot of lively discussion/debates (and, may I say, more mature and civil!) in the classroom with each other.

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