Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #8

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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #8

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1skittles
Jan 11, 2009, 8:49 pm

This thread is for LT'ers or thingamabrarians, or members, or their designees, to post combining or separating problems with their books.
**If a book has been combined with a book that is extremely different from the original.
**If a book won't combine with the other books just like it.
**There is a problem with the entry & it is just too overwhelming to deal with.
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It has been suggested many times that there be a single thread for LT'ers to post combining & separating problems so that;
** they can learn how to do it
** they can get help when needed
** just want someone else to do it (usually, they can't understand how to do it... which is normal... or don't have the time)
**and finally, those LT'ers who "enjoy" combining can have a place to look to first to see what fun can be had helping LT be the best place to catalog books.
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WHEN YOU POST:
Please give us HYPERLINKS, not touchstones. Hyperlinks to the pages where the problems exist are much more accurate than a touchstone when there is a problem.
Give us the title & author, plus any other information you think we might need.

Then you can just wait, "and someone will be with you shortly."
________________________________________...

Tim's Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for contacting members about their book records:

"For this topic, I still feel strongly that I'd like to consider it bad form. Many others agree with me. But a few thing I'm dictating and are angry about that. So, fine. Let's just write some guidelines up. I propose that the guidelines be something along the lines of:

*Remember that LibraryThing is used for many different reasons. The way you use and enjoy the site is not necessarily the way others do.
*Be sensitive to how the member is using LibraryThing. Approach members who show no interest in the social side more cautiously.
*Try to provide helpful information and ask questions rather than dictating.
*If the user indicates displeasure at the request, let it drop.
*When in doubt, raise the issue in the Combiners! group before sending a message."
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My note: I would like to add that we should ALWAYS use private comment when we absolutely must contact a LT'er, even when their response isn't private.

and yes, this thread is similar to putting all of our problems together for people to see & say, "oh, no!! LT isn't perfect!!" or "Look at all of the problems that LT has." That isn't the case here. This is a place to gather "challenges" together to make it easier & faster to "fix" them. Let's just remember that "bad" data comes from people... people who make mistakes.. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! (ok, there are a couple of perfect people around here) Instead of complaining about the problem, let's fix it.
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When this thread reaches approximately 200 posts, DO NOT POST HERE, but go to POST #9. This thread will be easier to handle if we keep it under 200. (faster loading) Please copy any notes or instructions to the new thread.
Thank you.

Feel free to add comments &/or suggestions... not just "challenges"

**There is also a Combiner's Group Information & Discussion Thread at:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/50653
That thread is for combining information, discussion in general, not for problems....

2Avron
Jan 12, 2009, 12:09 am

Isobelle Carmody wrote a book titled "The Stone Key" (book five in a series) that was then split in two for US publication. Unfortunately for us the second half was also given the title "The Stone Key" and the two of them have been combined.
I think I've cleared it up, and I've added some disambiguation notices, but I'd appreciate somebody else checking that I did it right and that my wording is understandable.

3kathrynnd
Edited: Jan 12, 2009, 2:07 am

>> 2 The wording looked fine to me. I added the approx number of pages (1000 pp ) for the complete book, i don't know if that will help to alert members to a problem, it would for me, that's the way my mind works.

Now it's my time for a question. I separated out the title "The Obernewtyn Chronicles book 5: The Stone Key" with the ISBN 0375857729 because that is the ISBN for the Random House 496 p book Chronicles Book 6.

I looked at the book in the catalog of the member with this copy, the book was entered from Amazon.com. Amazon has the correct title, ISBN and publication information for Book 6, so the user must have edited just the title information to match a book in hand. Usually I would keep such a book combined with the work matching the title rather than the ISBN, but in this case....?

What do other combiners do if a combination of a title with the wrong ISBN for the edition might lead to combination messes in the future?

4kevinashley
Jan 12, 2009, 3:26 am

> 189 in the last thread.

Ah, so 'twas you, PortiaLong. Thanks for the hard work - the series looks in much better shape now.

5paulhurtley
Jan 12, 2009, 8:00 am

>3 kathrynnd: I would combine them. They are the same work, and I don't think this should be an exception.

6yue
Jan 12, 2009, 9:28 am

What is the consensus on audiobooks? While combining some books by Brian Jacques, I ran across several audiobooks - instead of the whole work, each was only a section. I think they should they be combined, but I wanted to get other opinions first.

http://www.librarything.com/work/4641843
http://www.librarything.com/work/2687382
http://www.librarything.com/work/2687390

7Aerrin99
Jan 12, 2009, 9:48 am

Anne McCaffrey's page needs some serious work - there are a number of singletons there. I've gone through and done some of them, but definitely don't have time to do them all. I think there's some separating to be done there too, but that's another ballgame and will take a more careful eye!

http://www.librarything.com/author/mccaffreyanne

I got started down this road after trying to touchstone All the Weyrs of Pern and finding All the Weyers of Pern - I have no idea how to get these two books combined - they're the same book, honest!

Could someone more combining-savy do it/let me know how it might be done?

http://www.librarything.com/work/18521
http://www.librarything.com/work/5409055

8yue
Jan 12, 2009, 9:51 am

The entire Harry Potter series has been translated into Latin, and as a disambiguation noticed informed me (while combining a French edition), ancient language editions are not combined with modern language editions.
What precisely is the philosophy behind this when the modern language is the original and the ancient language is a translation?

9Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 12, 2009, 9:58 am

>8 yue:: It's about the connections. The idea behind it is that people reading Harry Potter (or anything else) in a dead language would basically be better served by recommendations about other books in dead languages than other Harry Potter books.

p.s.: I agree the whole "dead language exception rule" thing is debatable.

10jjwilson61
Jan 12, 2009, 1:38 pm

8> A French person probably reads the French translation because they just want to read the story and they should be connected to others who have bought the book in any living language. But people reading Harry Potter in Latin are probably reading it that way because they are learning Latin or they study Latin and they should be connected with other Latin scholars not Harry Potter enthusiasts.

11vintage_books
Jan 12, 2009, 2:04 pm

Message 186: PortiaLong said:
>185 PortiaLong: - done, these were combinable on the author's combine/separate page.

Not sure what this is, can you please point me toward information/directions?

12Nicole_VanK
Jan 12, 2009, 2:10 pm

> 11 When you click an author's name you are taken to a page dedicated to that author. On it you find - amongst other things - a link that is called "combine/separate" which leads you to a new page where you can either combine or separate books / works by that author. Here you'll often find other language editions, books entered without ISBN (or with a different one), etc.

13vintage_books
Jan 12, 2009, 2:13 pm

> 12

Thank you

14prosfilaes
Jan 12, 2009, 2:28 pm

>8 yue: Because translations of modern works into ancient languages are done solely for an audience of language geeks; many of the people who own the Cat in the Hat own Hop on Pop and I Can Read With My Eyes Shut!, but the people who own Cattus petasatus : The cat in the hat in Latin own Quomodo Invidiosulus Nomine Grinchus Christi Natalem Abrogaverit: How the Grinch Stole Christmas in Latin and The Latin Sexual Vocabulary.

>9 Nicole_VanK: I think this is the strongest example of why the dead language exception exists. Owners of translations into ancient languages overlap with the owners of the originals as little as or less than any two random works. Even if the dead language exception went away, I'd support an exception for translation into dead languages.

15Nicole_VanK
Jan 12, 2009, 2:35 pm

>14 prosfilaes: (second part) - I agree. It's after all a very specific audience.

Personally I'm fine with the dead language exception. But there are many problems associated with it, especially when it comes to bilingual editions. Also it tends to disrupt the connectivity of some older heritage libraries - often people owning books in dead languages because that happened to be the most available edition for them.

16Stevil2001
Edited: Jan 12, 2009, 3:23 pm

These two instances of Twisted Toyfare Theatre, Volume 8 ought to be combined, but one is authorless:

http://www.librarything.com/work/2459558
http://www.librarything.com/work/2891639

17vintage_books
Jan 12, 2009, 5:50 pm

>12 Nicole_VanK:

Just tried it. Very easy!

18Nicole_VanK
Jan 12, 2009, 6:06 pm

> 17 : Good for you. Welcome to combining. But be warned: it's addictive ;-)

19MarieWG
Jan 12, 2009, 9:09 pm

Hi. I have two similar books by the same author that I can't combine. They are Little boy Jesus and Little boy Jesus at home both by M. Redington-White. But Ms Redington White (she's got a hyphen in one book not the other, but I put one in her name in both to try and MAKE them combine!) does not want to join in with herself! The first named book insists on being separate from the other books by her. Anyone help me with this please? Hmm I see the touchstone for Little boy Jesus at home doesn't want to work either.

20skittles
Jan 12, 2009, 9:25 pm

#19: Please use hyperlinks to both pages to make it easier for others to find the books/works you are referring to .

Thank you.

21DaynaRT
Edited: Jan 12, 2009, 10:28 pm

>6 yue:
Unless they are abridged, audiobooks are to be combined with the rest of the works.

22SaintSunniva
Jan 12, 2009, 11:44 pm

Someone put Hippocrene for the author of a Loeb library book of Hippocrates. Perhaps someone here can get it off the Hippocrene Books author page. Even better, get Hippocrene off the Hippocrates entirely.

The author page
http://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=bookshippocrene

The work, with the wrong author attributed to some but not all of the copies
http://www.librarything.com/work/1487549

Thankfully there are *only* five of them.

23PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 12:07 am

>22 SaintSunniva:
I gave it a shot (though I am generally bad at "floating" authors) - does it look ok now?

You can't change who other people have entered as the authors (thank goodness! - I am rather persnicketly about this in some ways) but some people have a knack to at least get the work assigned to the "correct" author. (I hope to be one of them some day >smile

24PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 12:44 am

>3 kathrynnd:
I agree with >5 paulhurtley:
They should be combined - it is my impression that many people correct the title or title/author and let the rest fall where it will (including ISBN at times) - SO, if forced to choose between title and ISBN - I would definately go with Title

>6 yue:

I second fleela in 21 - audiobooks should be combined with the original work, but ONLY if they contain the WHOLE work.

If each "audiobook" only contains a part, as the example you gave appears to be, (or is abridged) then it should not. ALSO - they should not be combined with each other - since they reflect 3 different "parts."

>16 Stevil2001:
DONE

>7 Aerrin99:
All the Wyers of Pern - combined

25PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 12:31 am

>19 MarieWG:

The work the touchstone links to is here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/5677287
it gives the author as "n/a"

Since there are several works entitiled Little Boy Jesus by different authors and the work has no ISBN it will remain a singleton unless its owner enters more information.

Other books entitled Little Boy Jesus:

http://www.librarything.com/work/2412799
by Lynn Moore

http://www.librarything.com/work/445247
by Enid Blyton

http://www.librarything.com/work/6365709
by Mary H. Brownback

as well as by M Redington White :
http://www.librarything.com/work/5567715

(so you can see why adding links instead of Touchstones is more accurate).

Edited to add: your copy should now be combined

26carport
Jan 13, 2009, 4:51 am

This is a "please fix this author" request (on the "please fix this book request" thread)

Janet Travell
(http://www.librarything.com/search_author.php?searchbox=Janet+Travell&event=&Search=Search)
and
David G. Simonds
(http://www.librarything.com/author/simonsdavidg&norefer=1)

are co-authors of a two-volume series Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual

various copies are listed under the variants of the authors names, sometimes separated and sometimes together.

I hesitate to combine the two authors -- although it may be the best way -- but I'd like to combine all the copies of the works (which also may need separating as there are 2-volume sets and individual volumes 1 and 2 all lumped together.

I'm looking for some guidance, please.

27Nicole_VanK
Jan 13, 2009, 5:04 am

> 26

In general : please don't combine authors that are clearly different persons - even if / when they do cooperate.

28carport
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 5:55 am

>27 Nicole_VanK:

Is there a way to combine the works without combining the authors?

29Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 6:22 am

>28 carport:

I did what I could so far - which, as far as I can see, leaves us with

2 vol set : http://www.librarything.com/work/1049888

vol 1 : http://www.librarything.com/work/3060556

vol 2 : http://www.librarything.com/work/7527357
vol 2 : http://www.librarything.com/work/7527447

Those different listings for vol 2 certainly still need fixing - it usually can be done but it needs some extra programming skills. Skittles?..

And it's a bit of a shame that consensus seems to attribute vol 1 to Travell, but the set and vol 2 to Simons. Maybe somebody with better "floating" skills could fix that.


30carport
Jan 13, 2009, 6:23 am

>29 Nicole_VanK:

Thank you, BarkingMatt!

31skittles
Jan 13, 2009, 7:48 am

#29:

OK, I think I got all of the volume 2 works together... & yes, they didn't want to "get together"

There's one work that doesn't say vol 1, vol 2 or vol 1 & 2, so it is going to be lonely for awhile... or at least until the cache catches up. It probably should go with the vol 1&2 set, but the ISBN says differently. I'll let those of you more familiar with that work decide. I'll be lurking (as I usually do) if needed.

and some are listed under Janet Travell & others under David Simons ... but I'm not up to trying to get all works under one author right now... and I'm not going to decide which one, either...

I just do the work.

32Nicole_VanK
Jan 13, 2009, 8:04 am

> 31 : Skittles to the rescue - thank you skittles!

33SaintSunniva
Jan 13, 2009, 1:16 pm

>22 SaintSunniva:, 23 THANKS! PortiaLong, the page looks perfect: no more Hippocrates mixed in with Hippocrene! Yay~!

34Stevil2001
Jan 13, 2009, 1:32 pm

> 24 : Thanks, Portia!

35MarieWG
Jan 13, 2009, 2:16 pm

>25 PortiaLong:. Thank you Portia!

36yue
Jan 13, 2009, 2:25 pm

>6 yue: Thanks for all the feedback. I went beck to check on those works, and someone had combined it with the unabridged work, so I separated it and added a disambiguation notice to all three.

37yue
Jan 13, 2009, 2:33 pm

Does anyone have any ability with Czech? This translation of one of Brian Jacques' books is titles "Sedm strašidelných příběhů", but I can't find it in Worldcat.

http://www.librarything.com/work/4820469

38PhoenixTerran
Jan 13, 2009, 2:39 pm

37> My guess is that it is a translation of http://www.librarything.com/work/359011
but I am not certain.

39yue
Jan 13, 2009, 3:12 pm

>38 PhoenixTerran: I thought that as well, but I can't be sure.

Could someone with more skill and time on their hands give "Anne of Green Gables" some attention? There are three disambiguation notices: one is empty, and the two others refer to an abridged children's edition and an abridged audio book which were combined with the unabridged edition regardless of their respective disambiguation notices.

http://www.librarything.com/work/3253

40MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 3:24 pm

37 - 39 The UNESCO website says yes.

Combined.

41Aerrin99
Edited: Jan 13, 2009, 10:47 pm

Noticed today that there is a Stephanie Meyer to go with the oft-mispelled Stephenie Meyer, and the former is erroneously credited with authoring several of the Twilight books. Can someone who's combine/separate savvy give it a whirl?

http://www.librarything.com/author/meyerstephanie
http://www.librarything.com/author/meyerstephenie

ETA: There's a disambiguation notice on the page, so perhaps this is a known problem!

42PortiaLong
Jan 13, 2009, 11:30 pm

>41 Aerrin99:
The books by Stephenie Meyer have been combined off of the StephAnie Meyer page.

43labfs39
Edited: Jan 14, 2009, 1:42 pm

I've fiddled with this but can't seem to fix. There is an entry for the author Stoneman with two works listed. The first Bronte Transformations: Cultural Dissemination of "Jane Eyre" and "Wuthering Heights" is by Patsy Stoneman and the second Zimbabwe's inheritance is by Colin Stoneman. I tried adding my own copy with the full author's name and then combining editions but that didn't help. Is there a way to fix?

Edited: Although touchstone for Bronte Transformation shows up in edit view, it's not showing in my message. Sorry! Here's the link: http://www.librarything.com/work/7544864

44PhoenixTerran
Edited: Jan 14, 2009, 4:39 pm

Would someone mind looking into Huston Smith's World's Religions. (http://www.librarything.com/work/8512/editions/)

I'm particularly wondering about The Illustrated World's Religions (which I own)...besides being illustrated, I'm not sure it's the same as the other editions, but I don't have another book to compare it to. Anyone know?

45PhoenixTerran
Jan 14, 2009, 3:24 pm

44> According to the Google Books page, The Illustrated World's Religions retains "all the beloved qualities of Huston Smith's classic The Religions of Man and the current fully revised and updated The World's Religions, this stunning pictorial presentation refines the text to its wonderful essentials."

I'm going to go ahead and start working on separating it out.

46Nicole_VanK
Jan 14, 2009, 4:18 pm

Good luck, don't forget to leave disambiguation.

47PhoenixTerran
Jan 14, 2009, 4:38 pm

Thanks. :-)

48PortiaLong
Jan 14, 2009, 7:22 pm

>44 PhoenixTerran:
I don't see any "Illustrated"s left on the editions page - have you finished this project?

>43 labfs39:
Works combined/floated off of the "Stoneman" page and a more generic disambig posted.

49SaintSunniva
Jan 15, 2009, 12:14 am

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50SaintSunniva
Jan 15, 2009, 12:24 am

To be combined: This work, Student Calculator Math Book by Texas Instruments Learning Center has about four dozen copies under five different authors, or no author.

http://www.librarything.com/work/2124337
http://www.librarything.com/work/96513
http://www.librarything.com/work/2003857
http://www.librarything.com/work/514516
http://www.librarything.com/work/6185059
http://www.librarything.com/work/5178843

Thanks so much.

51bernsad
Jan 15, 2009, 2:22 am

52Anneli
Jan 15, 2009, 1:41 pm

Crime and punishment seem to have parts combined into the same work:
Crime et chatiment vol.1
Rikos ja rangaistus. 1
Forbrytelse og straff. B.2
Crime et châtiment (tome 1)
Forbrytelse og straff II
Crime and Punishment: 2
but the ISBN's (at least some of them) are for the whole work, so I am not sure what to do. Would someone more courageous try to sort this out?

53vpfluke
Jan 15, 2009, 6:58 pm

#37 & 38

I usually google the foreign language title to see what I can find there, rather than use Worldcat. At this point, Sedm strašidelných příběhů seems to have been combined with Seven Strange and Ghostly tales.

It looks like #40 combined them.

55carport
Jan 15, 2009, 8:11 pm

>54 vintage_books:

I was able to combine the books, after I combined the author. However, the incorrectly spelled author name from the first volume you listed has taken precedence. I will add a disambiguation notice, but *HELP!* -- I am unable to force it to display the correct author name.

56krazy4katz
Jan 15, 2009, 8:14 pm

>52 Anneli:: I began some modest sorting of Crime and Punishment. I removed the Norton Critical Editions from the main body of work. This shows up on the author page, but not on the combining page for some reason. I will wait until tomorrow to see if it is a caching problem. I need a new challenge - getting tired of Dickens!

k4k

57carport
Jan 15, 2009, 8:16 pm

>54 vintage_books: >55 carport:

In case someone wants to fix the author name, the correct name is "Mrs. Marion M. Pullan"

58kathrynnd
Edited: Jan 15, 2009, 9:05 pm

57>>A search brings up another possibility...

http://www.librarything.com/work/367938

should help move "Pullen" from top spot.

I found this after checking the book title on WorldCat and finding yet another possibility, so entered the book temporarily from the University of Alberta. (That's what gave me the idea to search further on LT to find the work above.) Don't bother combining this next one unless you want to add the author to the database, I will delete the book in a few days.

http://www.librarything.com/work/book/40523929

Not that the library source name is the correct one on these very old books anyway. I always prefer the way the author's name is on the title page.

59vintage_books
Jan 15, 2009, 10:03 pm

Thank you all for your hard work.

VB

60lorin77
Edited: Jan 15, 2009, 10:53 pm

I think these are the same, what do you think?

ANGEL THERAPY by Denise Whichello Brown
http://www.librarything.com/work/3679133

Angyalterápia by Denise Whichello Brown
http://www.librarything.com/work/5748786

Thanks!

ETA: On an unrelated note, I don't know how to combine this book
http://www.librarything.com/work/3044417/book/28916443
with all the other copies of Freud's book, as the author is showing up different. How do I combine, other than going through the author page?

61MarthaJeanne
Jan 16, 2009, 3:59 am

That one doesn't show up on editions (from the work page), which is the first way to try.

I think I would combine the authors.

'Sigmund Freud; Translator James Strachey' is really not a valid author.

62carport
Jan 16, 2009, 4:06 am

60>
re, the Freud book: I've just combined the authors, then the work

I don't know about Angel Therapy, and couldn't determine it by searching the web. I'd bet that they're the same work, but I won't combine them -- awaiting someone who can be sure they are the same.

63kevinashley
Jan 16, 2009, 6:58 am

>60 lorin77:, 62

The author's own web site only claims one book on angel therapy, so my instinct was to combine all three works (hence including the illustrated guide with the two you already mentioned.) Which I've done.

64jjwilson61
Edited: Jan 16, 2009, 10:13 am

I hope you separated the authors again afterward. Multiple entry authors are not supposed to be combined with their single author counterparts.

ETA, the reasoning is that if Mr. Strachey had written any books on his then his author page could be combined with the Freud and Strachey page and you'd have a real mess.

65skittles
Jan 16, 2009, 10:16 am

when I find a book with multiple authors that cannot regularly be combined with the same book listed with a single author, I will temporarily combine the authors so I can combine the books & THEN I will separate the authors. I will always separate the authors in a case like this..

66hnau
Jan 16, 2009, 11:03 am

Somebody has combined all books by Philipp Melanchthon.

I've already separated Melanchthon deutsch, which is a collection of works without Loci Communes or Theologici. Unfortunately, I don't know enough to disentangle the other works.

67MarthaJeanne
Jan 16, 2009, 11:57 am

66> I've separated it all out, and done some combining. I have also combined various forms of Melachthon's name.

A good Lutheran theologian should look at this while it's more or less tidy. (Sorry, I'm Anglican.)Should the various dates of Loci communes be combined? There is also a loose copy floating around.

http://www.librarything.com/work/3116457

And its editions recommends a false combination, not the right one.

Between that false recommendation and the fact that the German title of Theologici and the English title of Communes are a good translation of each other, I'm afraid this may come up again.

68LisaMorr
Jan 16, 2009, 1:11 pm

I've tried to clean up Stephen King a bit, but messed something up a bit, I think. Mea culpa.

Someone combined S. King and Stephen King. I uncombined. Now, under S. King, http://www.librarything.com/author/kings&norefer=1. there are 2 works, Moeder's & Co., http://www.librarything.com/work/7570845, which should go with Sophie King, and Site Planning in Australia, http://www.librarything.com/work/6498682, which should just go on its own, I think.

How do you fix this?

69Nicole_VanK
Jan 16, 2009, 1:14 pm

> 68:

"Moeders & Co." - done. Which should leave "Site Planning in Australia" to itself.

70LisaMorr
Jan 16, 2009, 2:02 pm

>69 Nicole_VanK: - Thank you. Can you tell me how you did it?

71Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 16, 2009, 2:09 pm

>70 LisaMorr:: The others showed up as potential combination under "editions" (for that work). And since the majority of those were attributed to Sophie King, that's where it ended up.

72LisaMorr
Jan 16, 2009, 2:20 pm

Thank you - next time I will try to fix my mistake myself.

73PhoenixTerran
Jan 16, 2009, 2:45 pm

Oh noes! My computer/internet connection hates me, so I can't fix the horrible mess known as "The Complete Shakespeare" that I discovered:
http://www.librarything.com/work/2480465/editions

All sorts of things wrong in there, particularly individual volumes being combined into one work. Sigh.

74Nicole_VanK
Jan 16, 2009, 3:06 pm

>73 PhoenixTerran:: Once more, onto the breach! And all that.

75PhoenixTerran
Jan 16, 2009, 3:07 pm

Thanks, BarkingMatt, and whoever might join you!

76MarthaJeanne
Jan 16, 2009, 3:14 pm

73> A few Vol 2 type things, but I didn't see much wrong. I got some of those out. There are also a few annotated editions that could be taken out, but I didn't touch them.

77Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 16, 2009, 4:22 pm

> 74: I beg to differ. Lower down lots of entries of loose volume (whatever number) - usually not with a huge amount of copies though.

Recombining those will be a bit tricky since there aren't just 2 volume sets, but also sets with any other number up to 40 volumes. So the mention "volume 2", or anything like that, will not be enough to identify contents.

Because there are also 2 volume complete sets, I think we should leave those stating "volume 1 & 2" in. They might very well be the complete stuff.

As for the annotated and illustrated editions - I don't feel qualified to judge if they are sufficiently different to qualify separating, so I'm not touching those either.

78carport
Jan 16, 2009, 4:29 pm

>64 jjwilson61:
I did not uncombine Freud with Strachey, since the two had already been combined twice or more with Freud (in the usual weird variants of their combined names). Shall I uncombine all of the Freud & Strachey entries?

79Nicole_VanK
Jan 16, 2009, 5:24 pm

> 73 - 77> Managed to shave off about 100 copies that really shouldn't have been there. Loosing concentration - bedtime here in Europe. ;-) More tomorrow or for others...

80upstairsgirl
Jan 16, 2009, 9:01 pm

I have two bibles in my collection that show up as being in the libraries of only two people including me. Obviously that's wrong, but every time I think of wading in to fix them, I get terrified.

One is the King James Bible. Mine is here: http://www.librarything.com/work/6868559/book/34614073 and I know dang well that the other member and I are not the only ones with a KJV. It has no ISBN, so editions doesn't suggest any combinations, and I have no idea which of the 1,790 other hits you get for "King James Version" is the right thing to combine it with. (http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=king+james+version)

Similarly, I have a New Oxford Annotated Bible, NRSV, without the apocrypha, that shows only 2 members. http://www.librarything.com/work/6472489. (It also, inexplicably, has no ISBN.) Again, I can't believe we're really the only two, but I don't know if the problem is what I've put for the author, or what. The search hits (http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=new+oxford+annotated+bible) are fewer but still overwhelming, so I'm throwing this one out there too.

Hopefully someone in here is more knowledgeable and braver than me and can find homes for these. Thanks!

82skittles
Jan 16, 2009, 10:22 pm

#80: for your oxford annotated bible, go to the oxford site, or amazon or another booksite & look for the exact edition & version of the oxford annotated that you have & find an ISBN.

but if you look on the page just after the title page, the one with the copyright information, you should find an isbn listed there.

Where-ever you find an ISBN, edit your copy to reflect that information. Also, it helps for the Oxford Annotated Bibles if you put the edition name in the title in parentheses (Third Edition)

Also, for the most recent edition, I don't think that Bruce Metzger is the editor, but I'm not sure which edition you have.

Also, thank you for keeping the version (NRSV) of your copy in the title... it does help keeping them correctly sorted, combined & happy.

83deslni01
Jan 16, 2009, 11:51 pm

I have a problem and two questions (well, technically three problems):

1) I cannot for the life of me combine my copy (http://www.librarything.com/work/7249237/book/40566021) of fear and trembling with the more popular group/edition of the text. The link in parentheses being my copy, and the bracketed, thus hyperlinked "Fear and Trembling" being the most owned copy. Any help, suggestions, advice?

2) My edition of at the mountains of madness contains only the named text and a piece of non-fiction by Lovecraft by the name supernatural horror in literature. What is the general method to handling such a situation? Some of the editions of ATMOM include a bundle of other works, and obviously "Horror" is it's own work in itself (with 176 members owning it). Do I just leave things as they are, where it only lists at the mountains of madness in my library? What does everyone else do?

3) Very similar as number 2: I picked up a copy of Aristotle's poetics and rhetoric which, as the title indicates, contains both "Rhetoric" and "Poetics". My question now is, do I leave it as poetics and rhetoric or is there a way to separate it into rhetoric and poetics (the combined has 249 copies and 0 reviews, whereas poetics has 1524 copies and 9 reviews, and rhetoric has 512 copies)

84PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 17, 2009, 12:41 am

>81 SaintSunniva:
done

>83 deslni01:
#1
done
#2
in general - I try to only combine things that contain essentially the same content - since YOUR copy does not contain all of the content of " a bundle of other works" I would try to keep it separate with others that only contain "the named text and a piece of non-fiction" -- this may be difficult, so I would post a disambiguation notice once you have your work separated.

#2/#3
In my personal library I will document "inclusions" - works that I feel can stand alone - that I happen to own included in an omnibus. I also enter the omnibus "work". See my profile for details (this is NOT a standard - this is my own personal practice). So if I owned "poetics and rhetoric" I would enter it both as "poetics and rhetoric" (complete with publishing info etc specific to my copy of the work) and tag it "omnibus" AND "poetics" and "rhetoric" separately (with no publication info) and tag as "inclusion". You should do what ever makes the most sense/ is the most useful to YOU. (My 2 cents - others may disagree.)

85stephmo
Jan 17, 2009, 10:40 am

Hi,

I was updating some book award information - and I think I found a book where someone crammed at least two books in one series together (book 1 is the only one that got the award I'm trying to put on) -

http://www.librarything.com/work/2747252

Unfortunately, I'm not wholly familiar with the book, just the award, so I'm a bit overwhelmed on how to fix it. It also appears that the books have alternate titles...

86skittles
Jan 17, 2009, 10:47 am

#85: There are two titles for the book; The Spooks Curse & The Curse of the Bane.

I've added a disambiguation notice with details on the alternate titles.

see information here:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/63122531?tab=details#tabs

87upstairsgirl
Edited: Jan 17, 2009, 11:32 am

82> There is no ISBN anywhere in the book, unfortunately; so weird, since I bought it in like 1997. OUP's website isn't super-helpful, either; I'm pretty sure none of the bibles I'm finding there are the exact edition I have. I bought it for a class in college, but even the library at my college doesn't have a copy - all it has are similarly-dated editions with the apocrypha. I found on Alibris two copies that I *think* are the same edition, with ISBNs, but those don't turn up anything at OUP or in WorldCat, so I'm hesitant to add them in. I notice this morning that there is a third member with that edition now; perhaps we really are the only three people, given how hard it is to find elsewhere. The copy I have definitely lists Metzger as the editor (along with Roland Murphy) but doesn't say which edition it is; it just gives the copyright dates.

My KJV was purchased at the same time, and also has no ISBN anywhere on its innards, and the bookstore sticker on the back has "not available" in the space where the ISBN usually goes. (Again: weird.) The publisher's website is no help, and Alibris brings up a bunch of hits that I'm pretty sure are the same book, but don't have ISBNs, so that's no help either. Sigh.

Anyway, thank you for the suggestions. I'll keep digging and see if I can turn anything else up.

ETA: Digging around on publisher-as-author (American Bible Society) got me to this morass: http://www.librarything.com/author/abs It looks like it might be three or more authors, but I don't even know where to start with the separating. I am backing away slowly and leaving it to someone more patient and experienced than I.

88skittles
Jan 17, 2009, 12:02 pm

#87: What YEAR is your edition? is there a copyright year on it? Is the cover the same as in the work you show? what year did you buy is & did you buy it new or used?

here are some links from amazon for you to check:

http://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Augmented-Revised-Standard-Version/dp/0195288769...

http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Annotated-Revised-Standard-Version/dp/0195283554/re...

This is my copy:
http://www.librarything.com/work/book/12150323

please note that since you don't have an isbn, you might want to change your author (temporarily) to the main author listed for the oxford annotated.

89upstairsgirl
Edited: Jan 17, 2009, 1:23 pm

88> Mine has a copyright date of 1994; I purchased it new in 1997. The book cover for the work in my library is the one I uploaded; it's actually the title page since my copy is clothbound with a plan cover. The second Amazon link in your post has the same behind-the-title-page as my edition has, so I'll add in that ISBN. Thanks!

ETA: Well, a search on that ISBN in LT gets me a version *with* the apocrypha, which is not what I have, so maybe that is not the right answer either. It, too, does not pull up anything on OUP's website.

In regards to changing the author to the main one listed for the oxford annotated, I'm not sure what you mean; I can't seem to find an entry for the New Oxford Annotated, NRSV, without the apocrypha. I apologize, because I'm sure I must seem incredibly dense.

Edited again: OK. I dug into google books and found the same edition there that you linked to on Amazon (second link above), with the same ISBNs. Searching either the ISBN-10 or -13 on LT, though, leads to a version of the book that has the apocrypha in it: http://www.librarything.com/work/12297/book/34614864. Looking at the editions and the covers people have uploaded, I think some editions without the apocrypha are combined in there. To me, with and without are two separate things, but maybe the problem I'm having is that they are in fact not? I will leave it alone until I have an answer on that. Thanks!

90skittles
Jan 17, 2009, 1:36 pm

What is your ISBN? Then I (or another combiner) can separate out the non-apocrypha editions.

Originally there was a dust jacket for your edition, but it 'disappeared' before you got it.... (you aren't dusty enough, I guess)

91upstairsgirl
Jan 17, 2009, 3:35 pm

90> Ok. This is the one I've attached to mine: 0195283724; the ISBN-13 version is 9780195283723. I am 99% sure this is the right number.

Here are some others I've identified as definitely not having apocrypha:

ISBN 0195283708, 9780195283709

ISBN 0195283554, 9780195283556 (a braille edition whose ISBNs also lead to the page I linked earlier).

I won't have time today to go in there and take a crack at it (and I'm not confident in my ability to separate and re-combine yet either) but hopefully that'll help. Thanks so much!

92Nicole_VanK
Jan 17, 2009, 3:46 pm

While you're at it, could / would you please also take a look at this batch of pre-ISBN KJV bibles?

http://www.librarything.com/work/406958/book/25477046

93MarthaJeanne
Jan 17, 2009, 3:57 pm

If anyone is looking for a challenge, can I recommend
http://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=bunyanjohn

Therre are so many variations on Pilgrim's Progress. Some definitely do not belong in the main work (Cliff Notes). Some may belong separated (annotated versions, Norton Critical...), then the various abridgments, What about 'in today's English, in Modern English, retold for the modern reader...

I played a bit and took out a few, combined a few, but I think I've had enough for tonight.

94skittles
Jan 17, 2009, 5:34 pm

ok, New Oxford Annotated Bibles.... I combined & separated a bunch... added Canonical Titles & Disambiguation notices to specify that they are Oxford Annotated Bibles with or without the Apocrypha AND New Revised Standard or Revised Standard translations.

Where is the "Bible" discussion thread?

95picturebookperson
Jan 17, 2009, 7:26 pm

96PortiaLong
Jan 17, 2009, 7:33 pm

98DaynaRT
Jan 17, 2009, 10:43 pm

>97 picturebookperson:
Done from the Editions page for the books. You can check there for the easiest way to find combination possibilities.

99upstairsgirl
Jan 18, 2009, 12:46 pm

94> Thanks so much skittles!

100Stbalbach
Jan 18, 2009, 3:15 pm

The 7 seven books listed here are all the same work and need to be combined. I don't know how and was told at the Combiners group it needs "advanced techniques". I'd like to learn the techniques if possible (unless its system admin only).

Title: "The Horizon Book of the Age of Napoleon"
Copies: http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=+The+Horizon+Book+of+The+Age+of+N...

101PortiaLong
Jan 18, 2009, 4:03 pm

102Stbalbach
Jan 18, 2009, 4:30 pm

#100, thank you!

Looking at #65 I'm guessing that's how you did it (I did that once but forgot it could be done).

104PortiaLong
Jan 18, 2009, 10:12 pm

105NorthernStar
Jan 19, 2009, 1:22 am

I was exploring some members' libraries, and found in someone's library that we supposedly had "Pillars of Monarchy: An Outline of the Political and Social History of Royal Guards 1400-1984" by Philip Mansel in common, except that I had never heard of it! When I checked it out, it had been combined with J.R.R. Tolkein's Return of the King. I found it at the following location: http://www.librarything.com/work/3203356/33210488
I tried to separate it, but am still getting a connection. It may be cache issues, or maybe my separation did not work, so I thought I should list it here.

106PortiaLong
Jan 19, 2009, 2:03 am

>105 NorthernStar:
I found a few more copies of Pillars of Monarchy to separate - now seen here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3210308

Where the Return of the King is seen here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3203356

The link in your post still leads to some bizarre mashup - how does it look in your library (or in their library or however you found it)?

107Nicole_VanK
Jan 19, 2009, 9:17 am

Weird - these two both show on the author's page but not in each other's potential combinations + the second not on the author's combine/separate list.

http://www.librarything.com/work/6078576
http://www.librarything.com/work/6078568

Anybody?

108PortiaLong
Jan 19, 2009, 9:28 am

>107 Nicole_VanK:
maybe that error where things disappeared from the combine/separate page after a combining?

combined.

109Nicole_VanK
Jan 19, 2009, 9:40 am

Could be, but usually - especially with the numbers of copies involved here - they still show up as potentials for combination.

Anyway, thank you.

110ThomasPlischke
Edited: Jan 19, 2009, 11:51 am

Heya everybody,

I am still pretty new to this combining business, but nonetheless I am trying to do my best. Unluckily I am at my wit's end with the following books:

http://www.librarything.de/search_works.php?q=Traumsaat

"Traumsaat" and "Creatures of the Dreamseed" are definitely identical (I contributed to this RPG and worked with the publishing house for a time). "Traumsaat" is the German original. The author should be "Oliver Graute".

http://www.librarything.de/work/969734
http://www.librarything.de/work/3177107

"Hiobs Botschaft 2: Traumsaat" by Severin Rast is actually a novel and not identical to the a.m. source-book:

http://www.librarything.de/work/4378363

I can't seem to be able to split them up and combine effectively, maybe it's just the databank giving me trouble, but some experienced assistance would be most appreciated.

Take care, Thomas

111picturebookperson
Jan 19, 2009, 12:01 pm

http://www.librarything.com/work/7613338

http://www.librarything.com/work/174334

Can you combine the greedy python? I am not messing with Eric Carle's page.

Also the foolish tortoise below:

http://www.librarything.com/work/322191

http://www.librarything.com/work/5061162 Thanks.

112MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 19, 2009, 12:38 pm

111>Foolish Turtle done.

Greedy Python is in two different authors and doesn't show up in Editions.

110>If you go to the Author page you can go on to the combine/separate page from there and fix things. I haven't done it - I suspect you know what does and does not belong together better than I do.

http://www.librarything.com/author/grauteoliver
or
http://www.librarything.de/author/grauteoliver

113ThomasPlischke
Jan 19, 2009, 2:23 pm

> 112 Many thanks for your kind pointer. Seems to habe worked out!

114MarthaJeanne
Jan 19, 2009, 4:02 pm

Looks much neater! I wasn't sure which went together.

115picturebookperson
Edited: Jan 19, 2009, 5:15 pm

Re: messages 111 and 112

Greedy Python is just like foolish tortoise. they are written by Buckley, but eric carle is the illustrator and more well known. You can look it up on the Buckley page and see Carle listed as the illustrator. Let me know if this is enough to combine or not. thanks.

Also can you combine Do the funky pickle - another no edition choice, but the pictures are obviously the same?
http://www.librarything.com/work/1908555/editions/#

http://www.librarything.com/work/358460

116MarthaJeanne
Jan 19, 2009, 6:06 pm

The difference is that Foolish Tortoise had matching ISBNs so it was easy to do in editons. These other two books don't so they are harder and take a fair amount of time, which I don't have tonight.

117yue
Edited: Jan 19, 2009, 7:05 pm

What is the consensus on pseudonyms? Lemony Snicket's real name is Daniel Handler, they have been combined under Lemony Snicket.
I am in favor of separation and a disambiguation notice, or at the very least changing the canonical name of this author to Daniel Handler because "they" are different authors and write for different audiences.
I am going to leave it alone until I get some feedback (in which case I may still leave it alone).

I also ran across Edith Van Dyne who is and has been combined with L. Frank Baum. I am inclined to separate them as well and leave a disambiguation notice.

{Edited for clarity}
{Edited a second time regarding Edith Van Dyne}

118bernsad
Jan 19, 2009, 6:49 pm

I'm in favour of books appearing under the name they were published. What does it matter if Lemony Snickett or Mark Twain weren't real people? If that's how they choose to present themselves, then who am I to argue. Seperate them and leave a notice to explain the connection between them IMO.

119NorthernStar
Jan 19, 2009, 11:56 pm

Re >105 NorthernStar: >106 PortiaLong:

I checked the link I originally followed, and it looks OK - shows that book is no longer in common, and the librarythinger (is that a word?) who's library it is in shows up as one of the owners of the 6 copies of Pillars of Monarchy. I'm hoping the link from my original post is just a remnant of the former combining, and will go away.

You have to wonder how they ever got combined in the first place!

120PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 20, 2009, 12:38 am

>115 picturebookperson: - do the funky pickle
done

>111 picturebookperson:/115 - greedy python
done

>110 ThomasPlischke:
was this done? I am not seeing any obvious combining candidates (even when I change to the .com version of LT) - the second link of the pair you gave has 0 members.

121PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 20, 2009, 12:52 am

>117 yue:/118

I read through some previous debates and it doesn't seem as though there is any real consensus. My preference is the opposite of bernsad's - I would prefer to see all of the works by a (physical, real) person on one author page with the pseudonyms noted in the CK - I put whichever author name I feel is most appropriate (i.e. the one on "my" copy) in my own library but would like to see them "collected" on a single author page.

For instance - Heinlein wrote under a number of pseudonyms that are not particularly well-known. It seems that he later acknowledged all of these works as his own (republishing them later under his own name) so keeping the names separate doesn't really give you any additional info. This seems to be the case for many SF writers (my preferred genre) so it seems reasonable to me for these to combine these pseudonyms with the "real" author name.

It seems as though other authors treated their pseudonyms differently - since I don't own/read those authors I suppose I have no opinion.

Some instances where I think that pseudonyms should NOT be combined is when the psuedonym is for TWO DIFFERENT authors writing together (i.e. A writes as A, B writes as B, but A+B writes as C - C should have their own page) or when a pseudonym could represent any one of a number of people (i.e. A or B or C has all written under X for a series - X should have their own page).

122yue
Jan 20, 2009, 1:17 am

> 121 Portia, I understand if the book has been republished under the author's real name, but Daniel Handler took great care in making sure his name was not revealed until the very end of the series (unless it had gotten out earlier). Lemony Snicket is more than just a pseudonym, it is a persona.
As far as Edith Van Dyne/L. Frank Baum (and other pseudonyms of his), I can see leaving them together since "Edith" is highly obscure. However, Baum never published them under his name and kept his pseudonyms separate from his persona as "Royal Historian of Oz".
One reason I would separate them is that if you were to actually have them cataloged in a library, they would be sorted by the pseudonym, not by the real author (Twain appears under T, not under C for Clemens).

123flyingcamel
Jan 20, 2009, 1:34 am

I need help separating two works that I accidentally combined (it's only three errant copies, fortunately). The author is here, and the books Apartment Greenery and Apartment Gardener should be separate works. I'd fix it myself but neither of them show up on the combine/separate page for me any more, even when I reload the page or sign in with another account on a different browser.

124sqdancer
Jan 20, 2009, 1:56 am

> 123

Done

125moekane
Jan 20, 2009, 1:58 am

123:

they were there when I looked - 1 copy of Greenery separated from several Gardeners

Moe

126MarthaJeanne
Jan 20, 2009, 3:20 am

120> 110 was done (see 112, 113)

127MarthaJeanne
Jan 20, 2009, 3:24 am

I like having the pseudonyms combined with together. For example, I find it useful to know that Jean Plaidy and Victoria Holt are the same author, although I keep them separate on the shelf and chose one or the other depending on mood. Most users won't even know that their book's author has been combined with another unless they are specifically looking for that information.

128Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 20, 2009, 6:40 am

transferred to the Combiners discussion thread

http://www.librarything.com/topic/50653#1015145

129karamazow
Edited: Jan 20, 2009, 2:41 pm

I just found out this actually belongs in this here thread:
the following works are all the same, but as there are 2 authors, copies are spread all over the dB
http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=man+balcony
Please help us poor owners out! Thx...

edited to correct abridged link

130MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 20, 2009, 6:19 pm

I've been working on

http://www.librarything.com/author/strassburggottfriedv

There are two works for Tristan on the author page, but one of them doesn't show up on the combine/separate page.

I have tried to separate all copies of just Gottfried's Tristan out from the work containing the Tristan of Thomas as well.

Same thing here - I'd love to connect up both works of Gregorius.
http://www.librarything.com/author/auehartmannvon

131vaneska
Jan 20, 2009, 6:31 pm

Some charmer has combined all editions of Larousse Gastronomique together. I have 3 editions and off the top of my head the last of them, New Larousse Gastronomique, is drastically (perhaps even unrecognisably) different from the earlier versions. Not to mention the Concise edition.... Too late to tackle now but I might try tomorrow if my mindset is right.

v

132lloannna
Jan 20, 2009, 7:41 pm

Joseph Smith.

http://www.librarything.com/author/smithjoseph

There are about six people named Joseph Smith, including the son of the most famous one, Joseph Smith III, the nephew of the famous one, Joseph F. Smith, AND that guy's son, Joseph Fielding Smith. Even more fun is that Joseph F. Smith wrote a book called "The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith," and about a hundred years later, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or rather, it's curriculum committee) wrote a book called "Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith." Those two books, along with "Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith" are constantly getting combined when they shouldn't be.

At any given time, at least one of those four men is conflated with one of the other four (usually, but not always, on the Joseph Smith page). Right this very moment, a couple of editions of Joseph Smith III's memoirs are on Joseph Smith's page.

Anyway. It doesn't make sense to me (though I admit here and for all time that I am unwise and uninformed and new to the ways of LibraryThing) that they should be on one author page. Shouldn't there be four totally distinct pages, i.e.,

Joseph Smith, Jr.
Joseph Smith III
Joseph F. Smith
Joseph Fielding Smith

And everyone be off on their own, with no page for "Joseph Smith" at all? I know there's a disambiguation statement, but that's more like a "here there be monsters" thing - it's not fixing the problem, which is that these are all different people. Is there no hope?

(there are all kinds of other issues with specific volumes - the Book of Mormon, a couple of books by Joseph Smith/B.H. Roberts/Brigham Young - but this is kind of driving me loopy today.)

133Nicole_VanK
Jan 20, 2009, 7:54 pm

> 132 Yes, you're right it would be better if these authors got separated. But LT does not control the way users enter their books. If they use "Joseph Smith" as author, then there will be a "Joseph Smith" page on which these books appear.

Unfortunately there is no way - at present - for the system to distinguish between authors with the same name. In fact, since neither "Joseph" nor "Smith" are rare, I bet there are a couple of others mixed in there as well.

134yue
Jan 20, 2009, 8:19 pm

Does anyone know what is going on with The Queen of Attolia? On the author page it shows that there at two separate copies, but in the combinations page the singleton disappears. I have looked for other Megan Whalen Turners to combine, but they have all been combined. It also shouldn't be a cache issue, because this has been like this for days.

This is the main work: http://www.librarything.com/work/290577
and here is the singleton: http://www.librarything.com/work/7272295

135Nicole_VanK
Jan 20, 2009, 8:23 pm

There is a bug about. This is one of those books that - although the entry claims there is 1 copy - doesn't seem to have any users attached to it. The bug has been reported.

136PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 21, 2009, 12:19 am

>132 lloannna:
You can certainly separate out the "Jrs" "F" "III" etc authors to get them their own pages and post disambig notices (too bad they don't show for authors like they now do for works). However, that won't do much for all the plain old "Joseph Smith" attributed works.

The "Teachings" issue (Joseph vs Joseph F.) can be handled at a work level with disambigs. Since I may have inadvertantly contributed to this I will go do that now...

Edited to add:
Looks like the separation/recombining was already done - disambigs added.

137PortiaLong
Edited: Jan 21, 2009, 12:34 am

>130 MarthaJeanne:
If you post the links to the specific works you would like combined I would be happy to work on them for you. Not being familiar with the works (especially with any language issues) I am hesitant to combine things that are similar but not identical. Something may have changed since a link to a author page was posted so I might not be seeing the same items that were there when you originally posted.

>129 karamazow:
done

138MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 21, 2009, 4:22 am

>137 PortiaLong: Sorry, it was very late last night,

(http://www.librarything.com/work/1494829/editions/
(
http://www.librarything.com/work/7619461

Most of the edtions in the larger one are also bilingual, I don't think there is any issue here.

http://www.librarything.com/work/7632429
http://www.librarything.com/work/7017329

Some of these are combined from singletons, some were separated out from the work that includes a second version of Tristan. There may be a few of those still in this, but if so they have been entered without ISBN. The title difference is a matter of this being a medieval work, and different modern editors use different titles.

I was going to see how Canterbury Tales had been dealt with, and found this lovely Canonical title

Geoffrey Chaucer; Selected Canterbury Tales; Unabridged
http://www.librarything.com/work/2741906

(Edited to add that I have taken everything out of that work which isn't obviously a selection, and changed the canonical title. I didn't do anything to the big chunk of Canterbury tales, but combined the loose ones into the selection work, an ESL work, a Norton Critical work, and a smaller chunk of various editions, leaving out the volumes and very specific pieces. It could use more, but I've had as much of it as I can take today.)

Why, oh why did I decide to enter more of the medieval stuff? (Jerry and I agreed yesterday that neither of us is ever going to read it again, but that we aren't ready to give it up.)

139vpfluke
Jan 21, 2009, 11:40 am

132 & 133

A quick look at author listings in the LOC catalog shows over 100 Joseph Smiths (with and without middle names): many of these are obviously uncombined because they are from the "old catalog." Still, a bundle of names.

My boss's boss is a Joseph Smith, but he isn't a writer.

140MarthaJeanne
Jan 21, 2009, 4:26 pm

130, 138

OK I got these today.

142sqdancer
Jan 21, 2009, 5:05 pm

Words of Stone - done

143MarthaJeanne
Jan 21, 2009, 5:06 pm

OK that's what happened while i was looking at it.

145PortiaLong
Jan 22, 2009, 12:28 am

>141 picturebookperson: MC Higgins
done

>144 picturebookperson:
the first link doesn't have any copies
toot the horn and pick the pears done

146lorin77
Jan 22, 2009, 1:08 am

Not sure why I can't see this singleton when I go to the Shaw combine page:

http://www.librarything.com/work/4517887/details/24341061

I'm pretty sure it should be combined with these:
http://www.librarything.com/work/2946562/details

Is it because the latter two are listed as Bernard Shaw, rather than George Bernard Shaw? Those authors are combined, so I'm not sure why it would be a problem.

Thanks!

147PortiaLong
Jan 22, 2009, 1:19 am

>146 lorin77:
? some random caching problem
combined

Shaw's page is rather a mess...going back to clean house a little.

148vintage_books
Jan 22, 2009, 3:11 pm

I tried to look over this author's page to combine some of my books, but I think I'm in over my head.

Perhaps if a more experienced combiner would like to take a few minutes to see if this author's works are in order and have been combined correctly?

William Makepeace Thackeray
http://www.librarything.com/author/thackeraywilliammake

Thank you,

vintage_books

150bookel
Jan 22, 2009, 5:55 pm

These two books belong on the Anne Digby page (as shown in the cover image she is the author). They don't appear on editions. (I wish there was a way to manually suggest editions to combine on the page).

Naughtiest Girl Marches On should be on Anne Digby's page with this book.

Well Done, the Naughtiest Girl should be on Anne Digby's page with this book.

There are a lot of other titles on Enid Blyton's page that the author never wrote because of Amazon listing errors.

151lorax
Jan 22, 2009, 5:58 pm

They can be combined, which will move them over to Digby's page, but nobody other than the owner can change the author on that specific copy.

152bernsad
Jan 22, 2009, 6:06 pm

153lorin77
Jan 22, 2009, 6:09 pm

147> Thanks! It looked like a mess to me, too, but I didn't feel like getting into it at that hour.

155yue
Edited: Jan 23, 2009, 12:09 am

Sorry, this was a message was about what turned out just to be a cache issue.

156PortiaLong
Jan 23, 2009, 1:19 am

157anxovert
Jan 23, 2009, 9:48 am

my son found two listings for "Uncanny!" by Paul Jennings and we can't work out how to combine them.

could someone please take a look at the following:

http://www.librarything.com/work/514994

http://www.librarything.com/work/book/40822596

Thanks.

158DaynaRT
Jan 23, 2009, 9:58 am

159PhoenixTerran
Jan 23, 2009, 11:12 am

Part of the Don Quixote Project--these two works should be combined together, but should not be combined into any of the other Don Quixotes out there. They are a small selection written at an intermediate Spanish reading level. Thanks!

http://www.librarything.com/work/1425999/editions/
http://www.librarything.com/work/7669615/editions/

160PhoenixTerran
Jan 23, 2009, 11:13 am

And...I did it myself. Just hadn't waited long enough for the database to catch up so that the works could find each other. Doh.

162PortiaLong
Jan 24, 2009, 12:50 am

>161 picturebookperson:
I did the last few - the rest were done already.

>150 bookel:
done

163crimson-tide
Jan 24, 2009, 2:26 am

Ethan Frome as a single story appears to be combined with other anthologies, such as "Ethan Frome and Other Short Stories", "Ethan Frome and Other Short Fiction" etc.

I have the Wordsworth Classic edition which is the story on its own, yet on "my" work page, http://www.librarything.com/work/book/40375908 the Canonical Title comes up as "Ethan Frome and Other Short Fiction".

Is this right? I'm thoroughly confused and would really appreciate:
1) someone experienced to tell me if this is correct or not.
2) If not, then someone experienced to correct it.

editions: http://www.librarything.com/work/209/editions/40375908#
search page: http://www.librarything.com/search_works.php?q=Ethan+Frome

Thanks very much.

164bernsad
Jan 24, 2009, 3:20 am

>163 crimson-tide:. See if that solves Ethan Frome's problem.

165kathrynnd
Jan 24, 2009, 3:48 am

>163 crimson-tide: I separated out the copies that included the other stories. Most likely the Canonical title came in when the two works were combined. Anyway that didn't remove the Canonical title so I edited it to just plain Ethan Frome. ( As In understand it you shouldn't just delete a Canonical Title once the field has been filled in, but you can change it)

Here's the new separated work FYI

http://www.librarything.com/work/7679065

Note that a few copies have a shortened version of the title, or brackets in the title, which may be the reason someone added a Canonical title for the edition with the other short stories.

I added a disambiguation notice listing the stories, hopefully that will prevent the works being combined once again.

167Nicole_VanK
Jan 24, 2009, 6:29 am

> 166: Would gladly do so, but it seems the second has 0 users so there's nothing to combine.

168riverwillow
Jan 24, 2009, 6:54 am

Hi there

A couple of books by Victoria Blake where the editions need combining but for some reason its not working:

Skin and Blister

http://www.librarything.com/work/1731046

with this edition

http://www.librarything.com/work/7650496

and

Jumping the Cracks

http://www.librarything.com/work/7675236

with this edition

http://www.librarything.com/work/4742857

Thanks.

169vaneska
Jan 24, 2009, 7:07 am

A big thank you to the kind person who sorted out the Larousse Gastronomique - wendyrey? - which I had forgotten about for a few days.

v

170anxovert
Jan 24, 2009, 8:18 am

>167 Nicole_VanK: thanks for looking

having two listings for the same book here:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Cliff+Janeway

was bugging me, but if it can't be fixed so be it :)

171crimson-tide
Jan 24, 2009, 8:53 am

>164 bernsad: & 165: Thank you both.

172Felagund
Jan 24, 2009, 8:57 am

>168 riverwillow:
Done from the author page.

173PortiaLong
Jan 24, 2009, 12:06 pm

174ReneeMarie
Edited: Jan 24, 2009, 3:41 pm

Yikes. Just went to see if Paul Watkins, the author of _Ice Soldier_, had written anything I'd read, and saw a horrific sight: somebody put Sam Watkins' classic _Co. Aytch_, his memoir of his Confederate army service, as if written by a Paul Watkins. I checked my copy, and there's not even a Paul Watkins who wrote an introduction or anything else associated with _Co. Aytch_.

Some individual did have at least one copy of the book misattributed to a "Paul" instead of Sam R., but the majority of them have the right name, just the wrong combination.

If I separate all copies with the correct name, will they simply go away from the listing of Paul Watkins' work? I didn't want to play with this and make a mess.

Also, am I right in thinking I'm not to even *think* of contacting the person who lists a "Paul" Watkins as the author of _Co. Aytch_ to see if he (or she) would fix it?

Here's the page that's freaking me out:
http://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=watkinspaul

ETA: Frell: googled the ISBN, and found out it's Amazon that's partially screwing this one up (http://www.amazon.com/Co-Aytch-Classic-Confederate-Soldier/dp/0020381301). Going to see if I can contact them about the error.

ETA: Just got off the phone with someone who *says* she submitted an update request as I spoke with her. That was an adventure in itself. Couldn't submit "feedback" without an Amazon account, and I neither have nor want an Amazon account. No customer service phone number listed on their site. Found one via a search engine. Called. Transferred to another phone line. Success? Maybe.

175skittles
Jan 24, 2009, 3:40 pm

#174: it was on the page when I started, but it isn't there now... I just cleaned up some loners that needed combining.

Hopefully, the separating & recombining that you did helped move the book to the correct author page.

176Marchbanks
Jan 24, 2009, 3:43 pm

I have a string of titles that are about to run me crazy because they won't combine, and I think it's a pointer problem. Let's start with Eric Kraft, for example.

My copy is http://www.librarything.com/work/1589828/book/40855767 and if I approach it from my personal library, everything's fine--my uploaded cover is in place, I can see the other five people who own it associated with my copy.

BUT!

If I approach it from the author page, I find that (1) the "you own this" check icon doesn't appear, and (2) when I click the work title and go to http://www.librarything.com/work/1589828 , I get the "add this to your library" hyperlink, which I don't believe I should get because I have added the title to my library. Shouldn't the work page recognize that I already have the title in my library, and offer the details, edit book, covers, (and so on) links? (3) My uploaded cover doesn't show up as an option either, when I go direct to the work page.

Is all this "working as designed," or is it (as I kinda suspect) broken?

Sam

177ReneeMarie
Jan 24, 2009, 3:49 pm

175> It wasn't me, but thank you to whomever did fix it.

Sidebar: according to my home page, I have the number "2" next to the CK listing. How do you find out what you supposedly added to the common knowledge of LT?

178kevinashley
Jan 24, 2009, 5:18 pm

177>

To find out what you've done in CK, one way is to:

(1) Click on the Zeitgeist tab which appears at the top of every page
(2) On the Zeitgeist page, click on the 'Helpers' link at the top
(3) On that page, near the top you'll see
Top 150 Common Knowledge contributors (log)

(4) Click on the 'log' link
(5) In the top right of this page is a search button. Choose 'username' as the search field, and search for your username.

A shortcut to go direct to (5) is this URL:

http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/changelog.php

But beware there are bugs with the log.

179bookel
Jan 24, 2009, 7:37 pm

Is there a way to put both editions on Diana Hall's page please? I tried but there are no editions to combine on this http://www.librarything.com/work/80207
whereas there is here http://www.librarything.com/work/7690636 and to combine there would only put it on the Hall page. The idea is to get it off there...

180sqdancer
Jan 24, 2009, 7:45 pm

>177 ReneeMarie:

The easiest way to see what you added to CK is to click on Common Knowledge at the bottom of every page At the top right of the page, choose 'username' as the search field and type your username in the search box.

Sometimes you may find that you are credited with CK items from books you combined but where you didn't actually enter CK info. Tim is aware, but I don't know if he or Chris have been able to (or had the time to) determine a fix for this issue.

181kathrynnd
Edited: Jan 24, 2009, 9:06 pm

>>179 bookel: I sent an update to Amazon.com to change the author name for this ISBN from Hall to Diana Hall, so although this won't make a difference to the books already entered with the faulty information, eventually the correct name should catch up. In the meantime I would combine the editions for social reasons even though the book will end up on the wrong author page. The work will always show the correct author name when viewed from your own library.

edited to add touchstones

182bookel
Jan 24, 2009, 9:22 pm

>179 bookel: Done. I figured out how to do it.

184RobertMosher
Jan 25, 2009, 11:23 am


Can't seem to combine these two works of The Cavalry Maiden by Nadezhda A Durova:

http://www.librarything.com/work/7449931

http://www.librarything.com/work/315047

Robert A. Mosher

185PortiaLong
Jan 25, 2009, 1:57 pm

>183 picturebookperson:
done

>184 RobertMosher:
done - this was one of those 1 copy, no members issues - they show on the author page but not on combine/separate or combine potentials - very frustrating (hope it gets fixed sometime)

186vintage_books
Jan 25, 2009, 2:25 pm

Bump for message #148. :-)

187RobertMosher
Jan 25, 2009, 2:50 pm

#185 -
Thanks Portia - I couldn't figure that one out.

Robert A. Mosher

188Nicole_VanK
Jan 25, 2009, 3:20 pm

>186 vintage_books:: I'll gladly take a look, but I know next to nothing about Thackeray

189skittles
Jan 25, 2009, 3:33 pm

#186 & 188: I separated & combined a little, but the biggest problem is that there are so many "combined editions" or books with multiple works in them...

I also combined a couple of non-English translations where I could find the correct work to combine with...

The biggest issue is the multiple work editions & IF there is another like it to combine with.... especially since some titles are incomplete & the lack of ISBNs for many books.

190vintage_books
Jan 25, 2009, 3:55 pm

Many thanks for BarkingMatt & skittles for taking a look and doing what you could do to clean up that mess!

vintage_books

191monarchi
Jan 25, 2009, 8:52 pm

Can someone please combine this authorless copy of Sexualities and Communication in Everyday Life with this one in my library, attributed to Karen Lovaas?

I can't remember how to do it, if I ever knew, or even if it's possible to combine authorless works.

Thanks!

192onyx95
Jan 25, 2009, 9:18 pm

Because this is an anthology, it has been put in as two books. I would think they need to be combined, but I don't know how to do that, can someone please help.

http://www.librarything.com/work/2625759

http://www.librarything.com/work/2992723

Thanks.

193skittles
Jan 25, 2009, 9:22 pm

#191: I think I got it for you...

small request: next time, please put "regular" links to the book(s)... you did fine, but it confused me at first thinking they were touchstones (which I hate)

194skittles
Jan 25, 2009, 9:24 pm

#192: The second link is for just the story, not the anthology... sometimes people will title them with the anthology, then the story name.... I do it with the story title with the anthology in parentheses.

So they probably shouldn't be combined.

195monarchi
Jan 26, 2009, 8:15 am

>#193 Thanks, skittles!
I'll keep that in mind for next time.

196r.orrison
Edited: Jan 26, 2009, 6:06 pm

Could someone combine these two:
http://www.librarything.com/work/399159 + http://www.librarything.com/work/1365481

and these two:
http://www.librarything.com/work/399475 + http://www.librarything.com/work/222739

Edited to add these two:
http://www.librarything.com/work/554645 + http://www.librarything.com/work/3710167

I've done what I can on the Editions page of these works, and on the Time-Life combine separate page -- these need the special magic.

Thank you!

Edited again for clarity.

197kevinashley
Jan 26, 2009, 6:07 pm

Came across this from the random work link:

http://www.librarything.com/work/3723406

which should be combined with this:

http://www.librarything.com/work/3057

but it's beyond my skills to combine them as the first is authorless in LT's data (author has been put into title field.)

Thanks!

198picturebookperson
Jan 26, 2009, 8:25 pm

199skittles
Edited: Jan 26, 2009, 9:04 pm

THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!

Please take any open problems to the new thread located at:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/56061

Thank you!!