Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) #4

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Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) #4

1jasbro
Edited: Nov 24, 2021, 1:31 pm

The Problem

You cannot easily combine two works if BOTH works contain a large number of copies (currently the limit is 200 copies). For example, if you try to combine The Dark Tower (having over 6,000 copies) with The Dark Tower Boxed Set (Books 1-4) (having over 500 copies) you will receive this error:

    Sorry, too much love! Because of a number of massive over-combinations (eg., every book by C. S. Lewis combined into one) combinations that change more than 200 books have been disabled, except for LibraryThing staff, until we work out some rules.

    See the WikiThing page, https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Combination_Blocking, for more information.

    You were attempting to combine the works: 5974, 49836

In this case, this error prevents you from combining two works that really should not be combined. However, sometimes it does prevent legitimate combinations. Though the message says only LibraryThing staff may combine these books, that’s not entirely true. There are ways to finagle it to combine them, but because of the possibility of harm they aren’t really broadcast (but if you know enough to ask ...)

As such, the previous thread on this topic ended with LibraryThing members volunteering to combine these “too much love” works for other users.

To Get Works Combined Anyway

Post a request to this thread. Please be sure to include links to each work you want combined.

For example:


(In fact, those have already been combined.)

If it’s not obvious that the two works are the same (different title/authors/etc.), it may be helpful if you jot down a few sentences to explain that. But please be sure they really do need to be combined. Keep in mind that different editions with significant textual changes (an original publication versus a later “uncut” version) are treated as different books. Minor changes (like a later version containing a new forward, a new edition with/without illustrations, etc.) do generally belong together in the same work, as do different versions of the same work in different languages.

For help combining works that would affect fewer than 200 copies, please post to the current “Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread”. This thread can be found in the Combiners! group. A new thread is created every 200 posts or so to prevent it from becoming cumbersome.

2SimoneA
Nov 25, 2021, 10:47 am

Hi,

I came across these books, which seem to be the same. If anyone can combine them, that would be great, Thanks!
https://www.librarything.com/work/27357368/summary
https://www.librarything.com/work/10043010

3r.orrison
Nov 25, 2021, 12:58 pm

4SimoneA
Edited: Dec 20, 2021, 7:45 am

I just found this stray edition of the Fantastic Beasts screenplay: https://www.librarything.com/work/27085089/editions
As far as I can tell, it belongs with https://www.librarything.com/work/18200117

Oh, and another Rowling stray: https://www.librarything.com/work/25389309/editions, belongs with https://www.librarything.com/work/5927153

Thanks in advance!

5jasbro
Dec 20, 2021, 11:02 am

>4 SimoneA: Done; thanks!

6BUCCLibrary
Dec 20, 2021, 2:54 pm

Got two A Stillness at Appomattoxes (Appomattoxi? Appomattox’s? Who knows?) that need to be combined here:
https://www.librarything.com/work/26947848
https://www.librarything.com/work/853

Thanks!

8jasbro
Dec 21, 2021, 12:59 pm

>6 BUCCLibrary: >7 MarthaJeanne: The errant Appomattoxi are stilled.

9riaanw
Edited: Jan 4, 2022, 3:27 am

Please assist? Fixing an erroneous combination, mostly done but now I can't recombine:

https://www.librarything.com/work/27522020
https://www.librarything.com/work/27522006
https://www.librarything.com/work/27522013
https://www.librarything.com/work/27522026

(Because of the number of copies involved.)

10jasbro
Jan 3, 2022, 4:50 pm

11riaanw
Jan 4, 2022, 3:27 am

>9 riaanw: Thanks so much!

12Herenya
Jan 6, 2022, 12:42 am

13jasbro
Jan 6, 2022, 1:05 pm

>12 Herenya: Done (and then some).

14scott_beeler
Jan 6, 2022, 1:57 pm

I was cleaning up Bill Watterson's page and there is a loose large-copy entry for the first "Calvin and Hobbes" collection. Can these be combined?

https://www.librarything.com/work/27534656
https://www.librarything.com/work/4036343

15jasbro
Jan 6, 2022, 2:29 pm

16DemetriosX
Edited: Jan 25, 2022, 6:17 am

A bunch of Greek titles have been added to The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, but most of them are other Le Carré titles. Using https://www.librarything.com/work/4819/editions/64018128#, they're clustered a little less than halfway down the list. Without the stuff after /editions/ they're scattered throughout the list. Fortunately, they all have the English title after the Greek. Anyway, they should be separated out and combined with the correct titles, but that's beyond my time and ability.

17MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 25, 2022, 6:48 am

>16 DemetriosX: This is a regular combining problem, not the blocks for large numbers thing.

I've separated the Greek titles out into https://www.librarything.com/work/27652028 but don't have more time now.

18jasbro
Jan 25, 2022, 12:46 pm

20ArrowStead
Feb 28, 2022, 2:22 pm

Also, it would be really helpful if someone would post the link to the current thread on the Wiki page that gives the instructions for posting requests here. It currently directs to the original thread.

https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Combination_Blocking

21r.orrison
Feb 28, 2022, 6:38 pm

>19 ArrowStead: Done.
>20 ArrowStead: Done (but anyone can edit the wiki)

22SimoneA
Mar 28, 2022, 3:42 am

This edition https://www.librarything.com/work/27566790/editions should be with the main work https://www.librarything.com/work/3366.
Thanks in advance!

23jasbro
Mar 28, 2022, 11:28 am

>22 SimoneA: Done, notwithstanding the long-since disregarded, now removed disambiguation notice, "This is a bookmark - don't combine with the book!"

24hipdeep
May 18, 2022, 12:12 pm

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, no author https://www.librarything.com/work/28069061
is presumably the same book as Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince by JK Rowling
https://www.librarything.com/work/1133624

25gilroy
May 18, 2022, 1:26 pm

>24 hipdeep: But is it the book? the movie? A movie tie in? A coloring book? That doesn't have enough information to know that it definitely should merge.

26SandraArdnas
May 18, 2022, 1:33 pm

They have ASIN number (and corresponding) covers to identify them as books, but I'm not sure it would prevent auto-combine with something else, so perhaps best to put disambiguation notice on the work to add author and/or other data if it is to be combined properly

27norabelle414
May 18, 2022, 1:36 pm

It could be combined with this other no-author work which already has a disambiguation notice: https://www.librarything.com/work/14145144

28SandraArdnas
Edited: May 18, 2022, 1:45 pm

But that one is a movie

Edit: Actually, according to ASIN it's also a book, but member uploaded covers are for movie.

29AnnieMod
May 18, 2022, 10:26 pm

>28 SandraArdnas: Overrelying on the ASIN is not always a good idea - people will pluck the first one from the list and edit it. Just saying. :)

30SandraArdnas
May 19, 2022, 4:40 pm

>29 AnnieMod: Yeah, I'm not even sure auto-combiner considers it at all. It might combine those without any ASIN if the title is the same, so it's usefulness is very limited

31SimoneA
Aug 8, 2022, 5:21 am

I think this work https://www.librarything.com/work/22837446/editions shouldbe combined here https://www.librarything.com/work/14184045. Thanks in advance!

32MarthaJeanne
Edited: Aug 8, 2022, 5:34 am

>31 SimoneA: I agree although it is obvious that there are some badly entered copies in there that can't be separated out.

34r.orrison
Aug 18, 2022, 11:16 am

35al.vick
Aug 27, 2022, 4:25 pm

Looks like these are the same book?
https://www.librarything.com/work/27740135
https://www.librarything.com/work/21579
Am I missing something?

36scott_beeler
Aug 28, 2022, 3:40 am

>35 al.vick: Certainly looks like they should be combined to me. The ISBN 0439554012 is all over both of them. And there aren't any Common Knowledge notes indicating otherwise.

372wonderY
Aug 28, 2022, 3:51 am

>35 al.vick: Looking on the author combine page, there are some versions of Inkspell broken into volumes 1 and 2.

Boy that page could use some work by someone with language talents!

38MarthaJeanne
Aug 28, 2022, 4:00 am

>37 2wonderY: Getting all the variations of this series entered into the series would be useful.

She writes in German for children, and most of the books have not been published in English. That leaves lots of German titles which are correct.

Figuring out where the occasional title belongs that is neither in English or German is difficult, as I've been having trouble with WorldCat recently. Knowing what the title means does not mean that you can combine, as publishers do very weird things with titles.

39r.orrison
Aug 28, 2022, 8:10 am

>35 al.vick: Done.
I haven't touched the rest of the series, no time today.

40nicbarnard
Sep 13, 2022, 4:53 am

Trying to combine these two editions of TS Eliot's Selected Poems. They contain the exact same selection of poems (selected by Eliot himself and covering his work before Four Quartets). I suspect they ended up separate because it was first published by Penguin in 1948, then by Faber in 1954, but there are copies of the Faber edition in the Penguin page.

https://www.librarything.com/work/6590298
https://www.librarything.com/work/10125

Or am I missing something? I can't believe someone hasn't spotted this before.

42jasbro
Sep 13, 2022, 2:14 pm

43scott_beeler
Sep 19, 2022, 5:20 pm

Can somebody combine:

https://www.librarything.com/work/4294
https://www.librarything.com/work/28768876
https://www.librarything.com/work/28769055

Those definitely seem to be the same work, all with the same primary ISBN. From discussion here:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/343797

44jasbro
Sep 20, 2022, 3:25 pm

>43 scott_beeler: Done; thanks for bringing it up.

45prosfilaes
Sep 23, 2022, 11:15 pm

Can somebody combine
https://www.librarything.com/work/10553
https://www.librarything.com/work/27906132

They're both ISBN 0786918365, with 10553 adding in 8882880389 (Italian translation) and 284785004X (French translation). I've removed as much cruft as I could from 10553, and as far as I can tell, all of the editions in there should be combined with ISBN 0786918365.

46Nevov
Sep 23, 2022, 11:34 pm

While you're at it could you also please do a "too little love" combine on:
https://www.librarything.com/work/26333905
https://www.librarything.com/work/26333906
The first one of these looks like it had all the editions separated off making it impossible to combine via usual routes. Thanks.

47jasbro
Sep 24, 2022, 6:06 pm

>45 prosfilaes: >46 Nevov: Done. Nevov, a question: Is Warhammer 40,000 Psychic Awakening: The Collected Fiction the same as or different from Warhammer 40,000 Psychic Awakening: Saga of The Beast?

48Nevov
Sep 24, 2022, 8:28 pm

>47 jasbro: Thanks. No, they are part of the same sub-series, but Saga of the Beast is a game rulebook, while The Collected Fiction is a short story collection.

49jasbro
Sep 26, 2022, 1:27 pm

>48 Nevov: I suspected as much and separated it accordingly. Thanks!

50SimoneA
Sep 30, 2022, 10:52 am

I just separated some individual works from the Harry Potter collection, one of them was too big to combine myself:
- https://www.librarything.com/work/28995401/editions with https://www.librarything.com/work/1133624
Thanks in advance!

51jasbro
Sep 30, 2022, 1:46 pm

52Taphophile13
Sep 30, 2022, 4:25 pm

These two appear to be the same work.
https://www.librarything.com/work/5173
https://www.librarything.com/work/28664687
If you agree, would you please combine them. Thank you.

53AnnieMod
Sep 30, 2022, 5:13 pm

>52 Taphophile13: Yep - apparently a stray ISBN had it into another work and when it came out of it, it was never combined properly. Done.

54SimoneA
Oct 31, 2022, 5:50 am

55jasbro
Oct 31, 2022, 2:09 pm

56SimoneA
Nov 25, 2022, 8:30 am

57DuncanHill
Nov 25, 2022, 8:59 am

58al.vick
Edited: Dec 9, 2022, 1:56 pm

These two works look the same to me:

https://www.librarything.com/work/26927712
https://www.librarything.com/work/3813967

I think someone should either combine them, or add a disambiguation notice stating the difference between them.

59jasbro
Dec 9, 2022, 7:28 pm

>58 al.vick: Both had the same ISBN with no apparent distinction. Done.

60SimoneA
Jan 9, 2023, 2:21 pm

I came across some wrongly combined editions of Catching Fire:
https://www.librarything.com/work/29602702
https://www.librarything.com/work/8662515

Thanks in advance for the combining!

61AnnieMod
Jan 9, 2023, 3:03 pm

62Pranesh
Jan 20, 2023, 10:39 am

I believe these are two editions of the same work "Mark Twain : four complete novels", and need to be combined. (Though, do note that they are by different publishers (Gramercy, 1990; Leopard, 1995).)

Mark Twain: Four Complete Novels
and
Mark Twain (Leopard Classics)

I can't seem to figure out how to do it myself, since they don't show up in each other's 'combine works' page:

https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?work=47331

On WorldCat:
https://worldcat.org/title/757814897
https://worldcat.org/title/221776450

63AnnieMod
Jan 20, 2023, 10:45 am

>62 Pranesh: I've combined these. We have a help topic which is usually used for these (currently here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/343462 - it is pinned at the top of the group) - this one is for cases when both works to be combined have more than 200 copies each as that requires somewhat special handling.

For ones where one or both has less copies, you can always use the workbench - look at the bottom right corner of the page for each work. You add the editions you want into the workbench, then the workbench will give you a combination page :)

64MarthaJeanne
Jan 20, 2023, 10:47 am

Actually, it seems that they need to be taken apart and regrouped, as the Work relationships show more than four books included.

65AnnieMod
Edited: Jan 20, 2023, 10:54 am

>64 MarthaJeanne: Yeah, I was looking at the complete list - 0517053578 seems to be the one with the more books in it. OCLC: https://worldcat.org/title/43016304 Although one of them will need to rename because it carries the 4 Novels title. And because of the connections, we should leave this one here and move the rest out I think... Or not - we can reset.

Thoughts?

66MarthaJeanne
Jan 20, 2023, 11:23 am

>65 AnnieMod: This is one of those things that is so hard to deal with. I can see that it needs to happen, but I can't help due to increasing brain fog and fatigue since my Covid infection months ago.

67AnnieMod
Jan 20, 2023, 11:29 am

>66 MarthaJeanne: I'll take care of it. I hope you get better!

68Pranesh
Jan 26, 2023, 3:15 pm

>63 AnnieMod:
Thanks, AnnieMod and MarthaJeanne. That's helpful. And sorry for posting to the wrong group!

I'd just like to clarify that from my search online, both of the books I've added have the same contents.

For the contents of the "Leopard" edition (which is the one that I have):
https://www.amazon.com/Mark-Twain-Leopard-Classics/dp/0752900145
"A collection of Twain's writing including The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain's Sketches, Mark Twain's (Burlesque) Autobiography, The Prince and the Pauper, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and Roughing It. Illustrated by True Williams, E.W. Kemble, Dan Beard and others."

The contents of the "Gramercy" edition:
https://www.amazon.in/Mark-Twain-Four-Complete-Novels/dp/0517092891
"Foreword by Anne Ficklen. Terrific of the best of Twain includes his masterpieces--The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, The Prince and the Pauper, and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court,--with his burlesque Autobiography and selections from Sketches. Illustrated in black and white."

Google Books lists many other publishers' editions that seem identical in terms of content:
https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Mark_Twain/HKxxzgEACAAJ?hl=en&kptab=e...

> 66
Take care, MarthaJeanne.

69AnnieMod
Jan 27, 2023, 11:43 am

>68 Pranesh: The books you added are fine. But there were other books mixed in the work that did not belong there. I untangled them all :) I think.

Do yours look ok now?

70MarthaJeanne
Feb 2, 2023, 2:35 pm

71waltzmn
Feb 2, 2023, 2:53 pm

>70 MarthaJeanne:

FWIW, there were no fewer than four valid texts of Citizen of the Galaxy, according to William H. Patterson, Jr.'s Robert A. Heinlein : in dialogue with his century, Volume 2 : 1948-1988: The original draft (110,000 words), the final draft Heinlein submitted (90,000 words), the version serialized by John W. Campbell in Astounding, and the Scribner version modified at the demand of Heinlein's editor Alice Dalgliesh. Other than the original draft, they weren't very different, but both the Astounding and Scribner versions were modified. So there could be different modern editions, depending on whether they were taken from the Heinlein, Campbell, or Dalgliesh editions. Some RAH books have been published in multiple editions as a result, and might perhaps be considered separate books. But I confess that I see no sign of that here.

72scott_beeler
Feb 6, 2023, 2:20 am

>71 waltzmn: In this instance there are no Common Knowledge notes indicating that work 29354184 is a particular variant edition, and its ISBN is already in work 17486 several times, so I'd say merge them.

74jasbro
Feb 9, 2023, 11:37 am

>73 amanda4242: Done; thanks!

75amanda4242
Feb 9, 2023, 12:44 pm

>74 jasbro: Thank you!

76SimoneA
Mar 1, 2023, 10:26 am

I found a stray edition of The Catcher in the Rye.
https://www.librarything.com/work/20365941/editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/4053418

Thanks in advance!

77AnnieMod
Mar 1, 2023, 11:06 am

78Stevil2001
Mar 2, 2023, 9:33 am

I extracted a bunch of copies of the first Temeraire novel alone from the omnibus of the first three, but since there were over 200, can't combine them in with the first book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/2489683
https://www.librarything.com/work/29792829
https://www.librarything.com/work/29878131

79AnnieMod
Mar 2, 2023, 11:59 am

>78 Stevil2001: Done. Note that the middle one had a single copy so if you had a third big one somewhere, you mistyped it :)

80Stevil2001
Mar 2, 2023, 12:15 pm

>79 AnnieMod: No, that was the one! Thanks for the help.

81mktoronto
Mar 20, 2023, 12:46 am

I'm new here and have no idea what I'm doing. Hope this is the right place to request.
I found 2 listings for A Fatal Finale:
https://www.librarything.com/work/25101551
https://www.librarything.com/work/24365351

82MarthaJeanne
Edited: Mar 20, 2023, 1:51 am

>81 mktoronto: There are blocks if both works have more than 200 copies, which is what this topic is about. You can combine these works yourself from either editions page.

They were not on the same author page. One was listed as Marple Kalb, Kathleen, and the other as Kalb, Kathleen Marple. I have now combined the author pages, so you could also combine the works there.

The third possibility, and often the easiest is to add both works to your workbench. At the bottom right of each work page is a link "Add work to workbench".

Do make sure that the works really belong together - the movie doesn't belong with the book; audio versions do if the aren't abridged and so forth - but combining is an important skill for LT members.

83jasbro
Mar 20, 2023, 1:25 pm

>81 mktoronto: >82 MarthaJeanne: It looks like we also have concurrent Series, An Ella Shane mystery and Ella Shane, with the latter encompassing the former. There's clearly a combining opportunity there as well.

84mktoronto
Mar 23, 2023, 7:29 pm

>82 MarthaJeanne: >83 jasbro: Thanks. I couldn't figure out how to get to the combine area. I've combined the book, now I'll try the workbench to combine the series name.

85norabelle414
Mar 26, 2023, 6:03 pm

86jasbro
Edited: Mar 27, 2023, 12:45 pm

>85 norabelle414: I'm reluctant to see https://www.librarything.com/work/4875 and https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770 combine, if only because we have two copies (1915 & 1933) that currently show up, one on each page. As I recall, they're different. Regrettably, (a) I couldn't begin to confirm that or tell how they're different unless/until I have both in hand at the same time; and (b) I have no information on https://www.librarything.com/work/24121779. It's an age-old problem for classics, almost as old as Heidi herself. All this to say, I s'pose my limited input is largely useless ...

ETA, Question: Is there any thought among us to devise, coordinate, and enact a plan for sorting, distinguishing, separating, and combining various classics by edition?

87norabelle414
Mar 28, 2023, 2:40 pm

>86 jasbro: 4875 is a hodge-podge of various ISBNs, 24121770 and 24121779 are "generic editions" (just a title and author and no other information) that someone pulled out from 4875 sometime in 2020-ish. Probably some of the ISBNs in 4875 are adaptations and should be pulled out, but that's not a reason to not combine the two generic editions.

Translations and adaptations of Heidi are so notoriously confusing that scholarly papers have been written trying to decipher who did what. Many of the older adaptations are of completely unknown authorship. It's never going to be perfect but the least we can do is try to keep everything together unless it's determined to be a different adaptation.

88MarthaJeanne
Edited: Mar 28, 2023, 3:27 pm

The other problem with Heidi is that most translations include both of Spyri's books. But not all. I tried to figure it out several years ago when I read the original German. Nope. It's just too hard, even for editions with ISBNs.

89norabelle414
Mar 28, 2023, 3:46 pm

>88 MarthaJeanne: I found a bunch of lone editions of the two German parts and combined them respectively and added contains/contained relationships, so that should help a little. Not sure what to do about the series page, though, since the two parts published together are, at this point, considered the canonical version.

90jasbro
Mar 28, 2023, 4:23 pm

>87 norabelle414: >88 MarthaJeanne: Thanks to you both. I'm oddly comforted by your insights. Still. I'll attempt to identify which of our copies are/aren't adaptations (I'm pretty sure at least one is), and to get them properly separated/combined. The nice part is, there seems little doubt about Johanna Spyri's Mäzli: A Story of the Swiss Valleys - yet.

91scott_beeler
Apr 11, 2023, 3:37 am

There is a loose copy of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" that I think can be combined into the main one. While there are a lot of abridgements/adaptation of it, I think this edition is the full original:

https://www.librarything.com/work/29263606
https://www.librarything.com/work/20410

92norabelle414
Apr 11, 2023, 9:03 am

>91 scott_beeler: I agree, and there are lots of other editions of "scholastic junior classics" combined in the main work.

I wonder if this is a trend - is someone going through and pulling one edition out of classic works?

93scott_beeler
Apr 11, 2023, 10:27 am

>92 norabelle414: I've been doing on-and-off cleanup of L. Frank Baum's page for the last week or so, and a significant amount of splitting-out and merging of particular entries into appropriate works. I can't actually remember if I pulled that particular one out of somewhere or if I just found it that way...

94AnnieMod
Apr 11, 2023, 10:44 am

>92 norabelle414: I've seen new users doing that often enough with the classics when they do not understand how our works work -- they pull out all of "their" edition so that they can have a proper default cover, pub series and what's not... or so they see their two separate versions as separate books.

95waltzmn
Apr 11, 2023, 11:24 am

>94 AnnieMod: I've seen new users doing that often enough with the classics when they do not understand how our works work -- they pull out all of "their" edition so that they can have a proper default cover, pub series and what's not... or so they see their two separate versions as separate books.

Or they treat translations as separate works. I'm particularly alert to that right now because it's happening with covers, too -- there is a user who is regularly flagging covers of foreign translations as being inapplicable to the work. :-( Do we need to ask for some more explicit instructions on the combine and separate pages?

96jasbro
Apr 11, 2023, 1:53 pm

>91 scott_beeler: If we're sure of that identity, I'm glad to combine them. I've never been exactly clear whether Scholastic Junior Classics are abridgements, adaptations, or the real things.

97DuncanHill
Apr 11, 2023, 2:01 pm

>96 jasbro: "Ideal for young readers, the scholastic junior classics are a set of beautifully done adaptations " according to https://www.navrang.com/?Page=Product&ID=9939

98scott_beeler
Apr 11, 2023, 3:44 pm

>97 DuncanHill: Ah, I had searched a little but didn't find that. I had seen this "Oz Wiki" description of "contains the original text" which implied it was unabridged.
https://oz.fandom.com/wiki/Scholastic_Junior_Classics_The_Wizard_of_Oz

I suppose Scholastic might have published different versions for different age ranges, at least one abridged and a at least one unabridged. But I don't know that for sure and it might not be possible to distinguish them properly if so.

Probably best to separate it out.

99DuncanHill
Apr 11, 2023, 3:47 pm

>98 scott_beeler: Unfortunately the Scholastic web site does not make it clear. I agree, probably best to separate for now.

100gabriel
Apr 20, 2023, 6:37 pm

>95 waltzmn: Or they treat translations as separate works. I'm particularly alert to that right now because it's happening with covers, too -- there is a user who is regularly flagging covers of foreign translations as being inapplicable to the work. :-( Do we need to ask for some more explicit instructions on the combine and separate pages?

I wouldn't think you need more explicit instructions - I'd raise the behaviour directly with the user who appears to be misunderstanding the policy on translations.

101waltzmn
Apr 20, 2023, 6:49 pm

>100 gabriel: I wouldn't think you need more explicit instructions - I'd raise the behaviour directly with the user who appears to be misunderstanding the policy on translations.

This might be true if there were a cost to trying to create more explicit instructions. But there isn't. What if the user is not an English-speaker, or doesn't know how to read messages? A lot of the instructions on LibraryThing are... less than ideally clear.

Of course, they may not read the instructions. But it wouldn't hurt to be clearer, and it might help.

103FAMeulstee
Apr 21, 2023, 3:56 am

>101 waltzmn: What if the user is not an English-speaker
Most of LT is translated on the specific language sites, like LT.de LT.fr etc.

104waltzmn
Apr 21, 2023, 5:05 am

>103 FAMeulstee: Most of LT is translated on the specific language sites, like LT.de LT.fr etc.

Note the subject of my post: Someone suggested directly messaging the user rather than making the help better. How does it help to send a direct message in English to a user who is not an English speaker?

If we fix the help, then of course it will be translated!

105DuncanHill
Apr 21, 2023, 6:44 am

106Sopoforic
Jun 6, 2023, 6:42 pm

These two David Copperfield groups should be combined, I believe:

https://www.librarything.com/work/7489
https://www.librarything.com/work/29958155

107jasbro
Edited: Jun 6, 2023, 7:21 pm

>106 Sopoforic: I wouldn't do that without first confirming that they're the same. Your first link appears to be the complete work, while the second is part of Reader's Digest's "World's Best Reading" series; I suspect it was separated out as a likely abridgement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Best_Reading

108DuncanHill
Jun 6, 2023, 8:04 pm

>107 jasbro:
>106 Sopoforic:

There has previously been discussion about World's Best Reading, see:
https://www.librarything.com/talktopic.php?topic=2951
and
https://www.librarything.com/topic/148846

They seem to be complete rather than abridgements, but I'll hold off combining just in case someone knows for sure.

109jasbro
Jun 6, 2023, 8:43 pm

>108 DuncanHill: Thanks! If they're really complete and not abridged, the works Sopoforic listed above should be combined, but we also need to preserve any series or other CK information from the RD WBR editions. Agreed? More important, any disagreement?

111MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jun 24, 2023, 1:42 pm

>110 norabelle414: Note that those works have canonical titles separating original edition and second edition. The first edition is 320 pages, the second 408.

112norabelle414
Jun 24, 2023, 2:08 pm

>111 MarthaJeanne: There's no reason for those canonical titles, not a single book title of either work references "original edition" or "second edition". Different editions of the same work can have a different number of pages with the exact same contents. I have the so-called "original edition" in my hands right now and it has 390 numbered pages plus 10 introduction pages.

113jasbro
Edited: Jun 24, 2023, 7:08 pm

>110 norabelle414: I made the separation and proposed the canonical titles based on two observations: (1) the publisher's website, https://milkweed.org/book/braiding-sweetgrass, reports new content (specifically a new author's introduction) for their second hardcover edition; and (2) apparent differences in contents among the eighteen "formats & editions" that WorldCat reports.

I grant that we don't normally distinguish works based on various editions' introductions alone; but a new introduction by the author strikes me as a meaningful addition to her original work, and that's the edition I want. As for the respective editions' contents, I attempted to list each in their respective "Book description" CK, but I can't say whether the differences are material or if they're merely re-worded and possibly re-ordered. I would need one of each to compare or confirm, one way or the other.

If the separation is in error, I would ask someone with better knowledge of both editions to either correct it or let us know.

114jjwilson61
Jun 25, 2023, 1:03 am

The question is whether two ordinary people having each read one of the two editions would be able to discuss it without knowing that they had read different editions. I don't believe that there is any case in which the forward would make any difference no matter who wrote it

115norabelle414
Jun 25, 2023, 3:57 pm

A different introduction is not grounds for a totally separate work

116Taliesien
Jun 25, 2023, 4:48 pm

>115 norabelle414: No it is definitely not, and frankly I'm shocked anyone could even come to that conclusion. As for WC, they definitely consider it just a second hard cover edition, not a separate work.
https://worldcat.org/title/1143651514?oclcNum=1143651514
"Edition:Second hardcover edition View all formats and editions
Publisher:Milkweed Editions, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 2020"

117SimoneA
Aug 1, 2023, 2:51 pm

Can someone combine a couple of stray editions of The Two Towers into the main work? Thanks in advance!
https://www.librarything.com/work/30294122/editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/3203350

118Taphophile13
Aug 1, 2023, 3:54 pm

I think these may be the same:
https://www.librarything.com/work/28692030
https://www.librarything.com/work/9862119

If you agree, could you please combine them. I don't know the secret formula.

119AnnieMod
Aug 1, 2023, 4:52 pm

>117 SimoneA: Done.

>118 Taphophile13: Done - and all the CK survived to fight another day :)

120Taphophile13
Aug 1, 2023, 6:13 pm

>119 AnnieMod: Thank you and yay for the CK.

121AnnieMod
Aug 1, 2023, 6:34 pm

>120 Taphophile13: I always check when I do these - as the usual warnings are not there, it is very very easy to lose series and mess up CK and what's not so I double-check :)

122Taphophile13
Aug 14, 2023, 10:25 pm

If these are the same, could someone please combine them:
https://www.librarything.com/work/12906625
https://www.librarything.com/work/9269577

123MarthaJeanne
Edited: Aug 15, 2023, 3:17 am

>122 Taphophile13: The big problem there is that most of the copies in the first link are just the title without author or iSBN. There is no way to tell even if they are all the same book, never mind the McNamara one.

I've separated out the editions that are obviously the McNamara book and combined them.

The tags remaining on that work indicate that some copies do belong, but there are other tags don't seem to belong.

124Taphophile13
Aug 15, 2023, 1:16 pm

125Stevil2001
Aug 30, 2023, 8:55 pm

126DuncanHill
Aug 30, 2023, 9:46 pm

>125 Stevil2001: Done. See also https://www.librarything.com/topic/353312 for previous discussion.

127Stevil2001
Aug 31, 2023, 9:26 am

128SimoneA
Sep 7, 2023, 9:32 am

This work https://www.librarything.com/work/30215858/editions popped up in my recommendations. As far as I can tell, this is a regular edition of Little Women and should be combined.

129DuncanHill
Sep 7, 2023, 8:40 pm

>128 SimoneA: Agree, done.

130scott_beeler
Sep 20, 2023, 3:08 am

Loose copies of Orson Scott Card's "Xenocide" got accidentally merged into the entry for series omnibuses. I separated them out from there, but there are too many copies for me to merge with the main entry. Can somebody merge?

https://www.librarything.com/work/30964129
https://www.librarything.com/work/825709

131DuncanHill
Sep 20, 2023, 4:49 am

1322wonderY
Sep 20, 2023, 6:57 am

As far as I can tell, the only difference is in the title extension listing the award:

https://www.librarything.com/work/10430690
https://www.librarything.com/work/29888373

133jasbro
Sep 20, 2023, 12:57 pm

>132 2wonderY: Done; thanks!

136Nicole_VanK
Sep 27, 2023, 10:38 am

137DuncanHill
Sep 27, 2023, 10:46 am

138DuncanHill
Sep 27, 2023, 10:49 am

139Nicole_VanK
Sep 27, 2023, 12:42 pm

>138 DuncanHill: Thank you

141DuncanHill
Sep 28, 2023, 7:00 am

>140 leselotte: All done.

142SimoneA
Oct 10, 2023, 5:14 am

Can someone combine some strays of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows? Thanks!

https://www.librarything.com/work/31062393/editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/3577382

143jasbro
Oct 10, 2023, 1:36 pm

145jasbro
Oct 13, 2023, 7:00 pm

147DuncanHill
Oct 23, 2023, 7:18 pm

148MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 6, 2023, 4:26 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/61085
https://www.librarything.com/work/24905212
Mary Daly Gyn/ecology
The second seems to be only a revised edition with a new introduction, however the first work also contains many copies of that edition. Over half of the copies have that ISBN.

149prosfilaes
Nov 30, 2023, 8:32 pm

Dashiell Hammett Complete Novels: Red Harvest, The Dain Curse, The Maltese Falcon, The Glass Key, and The Thin Man
https://www.librarything.com/work/25194305
https://www.librarything.com/work/26374939
https://www.librarything.com/work/83011

The only difference is one is the Library of America edition. As far as I can tell, they all have the exact same five novels, and the latter two has covers for many of the same editions.

150DuncanHill
Dec 1, 2023, 6:29 am

151EGBERTINA
Dec 5, 2023, 2:50 am

i was told to post here
8286
https://www.librarything.com/work/8286

31002943
https://www.librarything.com/work/31002943/covers

these are two links to Ibsen's dollhouse. i dont see other books included in either - but the wont combine. neither is an adaptation i dont think.

152jasbro
Dec 5, 2023, 2:23 pm

153MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 14, 2023, 7:29 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/30115833
https://www.librarything.com/work/30115894

The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
by Michael W. Holmes

154jasbro
Dec 14, 2023, 5:34 pm

>153 MarthaJeanne: Done; but from the resulting Combine Potentials, it looks like there's lots more still to do: https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?work=30115894

155MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 14, 2023, 6:23 pm

Most of those are different works, although there are things that could be combined with each other. It's a very common title. I'm not even sure what relationship the Holmes title has that is only English.

Thank you.

156AnnieMod
Dec 14, 2023, 6:45 pm

>155 MarthaJeanne: I suspect that the algorithm ignores the "in English" part (as a language marker as opposed to being part of the title) or something along these lines... I've seen similar connections when there is "in language" at the end of a title and that was the only explanation I could think of.

157MarthaJeanne
Dec 15, 2023, 2:46 am

But it is also ignoring the many cases where there is a totally different author.

158jasbro
Dec 15, 2023, 8:57 pm

>157 MarthaJeanne: I see at least one record that appears to associate J.B. Lightfoot & J.R. Harmer (translators) with Michael W. Holmes (editor) of the same edition. I have yet to explore any of the authors, works, or editions in greater detail.

159waltzmn
Dec 16, 2023, 3:16 am

>158 jasbro:

I'm pretty sure there's an error in there. I've met Michael Holmes; he is a modern author. J. B. Lightfoot died in the nineteenth century. Oh, Lightfoot worked on the Apostolic Fathers, but if Holmes is using the Lightfoot translation, then Holmes didn't do anything. :-) I observe that the Apostolic Fathers book is much more popular than anything else Holmes has published, even though his work on the Greek Bible is far more important (he was one of the most important workers in the field of this generation). There has to be a combination error -- but what it is I have no idea. Editions of The Apostolic Fathers are an incredible mess; it's an undefined set of writings. :-(

160AndreasJ
Dec 16, 2023, 12:20 pm

>159 waltzmn:

Also, one of the “Apostolic Fathers” works has a 17C date, which seems unlikely if either Holmes or Lightfoot was involved.

161DuncanHill
Dec 16, 2023, 1:05 pm

>159 waltzmn: For some editions at least the translations are by Lightfoot and Harmer, "edited and revised" by Holmes. See https://archive.org/search?query=apostolic+fathers+holmes

162waltzmn
Dec 16, 2023, 2:37 pm

>161 DuncanHill: For some editions at least the translations are by Lightfoot and Harmer, "edited and revised" by Holmes.

Fair enough. But that might still be a separate work. And I find it hard to believe that Holmes, who is a mainstream textual critic (i.e. an editor of Greek texts who uses the methods common in New Testament textual criticism) would use a nineteenth century Greek text. He knows better. :-)

I just took a look at the editions involved there. I would guess there more than a dozen wrong combinations -- not just different translations but different parts included :-( But I don't have the information to fix it. :-( This is a job for a specialist. :-(

164jasbro
Jan 9, 4:28 pm

165racergirl76
Jan 20, 6:08 pm

Please combine these two works:
https://www.librarything.com/work/8206246 by Capella
https://www.librarything.com/work/22450720

Capella appears to be a publishing entity, and is consistent across the series.
The listed 'Authors' are the editors/designers of the book.
variations in title due to confusing cover, but they are the same book

166jasbro
Jan 21, 4:10 pm

167al.vick
Jan 22, 10:44 am

I think these could be combined. They both seem to be How to Train Your Dragon book 1.
https://www.librarything.com/work/30526850/summary
https://www.librarything.com/work/30526850/summary

168norabelle414
Jan 22, 11:39 am

169al.vick
Jan 22, 12:47 pm

That is the right work, yes, but the one listed above (twice, sorry about that I was going to check), does not seem to be part of that work?

so https://www.librarything.com/work/30526850/summary + https://www.librarything.com/work/1642 ? OR are they already one work?

170jasbro
Jan 22, 1:06 pm

172MarthaJeanne
Jan 23, 11:53 am

>171 rboitouzet: Most of the first link say "With Additional Writings and Sayings of St. Thérèse/"

173SimoneA
Jan 27, 3:29 am

Can someone please combine these two:
https://www.librarything.com/work/17663127
https://www.librarything.com/work/31603803
I just separated the second work, which was wrongly combined with a box set. Thanks in advance!

174jasbro
Jan 29, 10:09 am

175norabelle414
Feb 7, 3:25 pm

These both contain the same seven novels (Sense and Sensibility, Pride and Prejudice, Mansfield Park, Emma, Northanger Abbey, Persuasion, Lady Susan)

https://www.librarything.com/work/29773269
https://www.librarything.com/work/7857716

Thanks!

176jasbro
Edited: Feb 8, 2:18 pm

>175 norabelle414: Done

ETA: Can you help us with any further combinations at https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?work=7857716 ?

177norabelle414
Feb 9, 1:08 pm

>176 jasbro: I think I've done everything I can do at this point. If the combination suggestion issue gets fixed and the editions page stops taking 3 minutes to load I might be able to find more to combine, but Jane Austen's novels have SO MANY different adaptations and abridgements that there's always going to be a lot of confusion.

179jasbro
Feb 14, 3:11 pm

>178 norabelle414: Done; thanks!

180scott_beeler
Mar 25, 11:27 am

Can somebody please merge these copies of Harry Potter book #4? I split them off from movie #4 but they're too big for me to merge.
https://www.librarything.com/work/31909826
https://www.librarything.com/work/113

181jasbro
Mar 25, 11:50 am

>180 scott_beeler: Done; thanks!