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Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) #2

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1jasbro
Edited: Jun 8, 2016, 11:54pm Top

To Get Works Combined Anyway

Post a request to this thread. Please be sure to include links to each work you want combined.

For example:

Please combine these two works:
http://www.librarything.com/work/5061284
http://www.librarything.com/work/11847113

If it's not obvious that the two works are the same (different title/authors/etc.), it may be helpful if you jot down a few sentences to explain that. But please be sure they really do need to be combined. Keep in mind that different editions with significant textual changes (a original publication versus a later "uncut" version) are treated as different books. Minor changes (like a later version containing a new forward, a new edition with/without illustrations, etc.) do generally belong together in the same work, as do different versions of the same work in different languages.

For help combining works that would affect fewer than 200 copies, please post to the current "Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread". This thread can be found in the Combiners! group (a new thread is created each month to prevent it from becoming cumbersome).

The Problem

You cannot easily combine two works if BOTH works contain a large number of copies (currently the limit is 200 copies). For example, if you try to combine The Dark Tower (having over 6,000 copies) with The Dark Tower Boxed Set (Books 1-4) (having over 500 copies) you will receive this error:

Sorry, too much love! Because of a number of massive over-combinations (eg., every book by C. S. Lewis combined into one) combinations that change more than 200 books have been disabled, except for LibraryThing staff, until we work out some rules.

See the WikiThing page, http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Combination_Blocking, for more information.

You were attempting to combine the works: 5974, 49836

In this case, this error prevents you from combining two works that really should not be combined. However, sometimes it does prevent legitimate combinations. Though the message says only LibraryThing staff may combine these books, that's not entirely true. There are ways to finagle it to combine them, but because of the possibility of harm they aren't really broadcast (but if you know enough to ask...)

As such, the previous thread on this topic ended with LibraryThing members volunteering to combine these "too much love" works for other users.

2skullduggery
Nov 2, 2016, 12:02pm Top

3.Monkey.
Nov 2, 2016, 12:10pm Top

4skullduggery
Nov 2, 2016, 4:10pm Top

>3 .Monkey.: Thank you!

5bluedream
Dec 14, 2016, 3:12pm Top

Could someone please combine the following:
https://www.librarything.com/work/1242461
and
https://www.librarything.com/work/18759979

Looks like the latter was stuck in the disambiguation for Stephen King until I just moved it to the correct author entry. As far as I can tell they're both the Uncut/Extended version of The Stand, though.

6jasbro
Dec 14, 2016, 8:54pm Top

>5 bluedream: Done. Thanks for tackling this one!

7fuzzi
Edited: Dec 17, 2016, 3:23pm Top

While attempting to combine, I got this message:
You were attempting to combine the works:Array, 16790268, 881

Please combine the following:

Blade Runner (376 copies) https://www.librarything.com/work/16790268/summary/121558552

And

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
https://www.librarything.com/work/881 (12,129 copies)

Thank you.

8bernsad
Dec 17, 2016, 4:31pm Top

>7 fuzzi: I don't think they should be combined. That Blade Runner is adapted from the movie script that was adapted from the novel. Not really the same story at all.

9klarusu
Dec 17, 2016, 5:03pm Top

>8 bernsad: Agreed. It's a simplified version that shouldn't be combined, IMHO.

10MarthaJeanne
Dec 17, 2016, 5:14pm Top

>8 bernsad:, >9 klarusu: Then there's a lot of separating to do.

11klarusu
Edited: Dec 17, 2016, 5:31pm Top

>10 MarthaJeanne: Without checking editions, I'm not sure whether some of those combined are simply a retitle. I know the 'movie tie in' version is definitely simplified because I own both.

12fuzzi
Edited: Dec 17, 2016, 9:38pm Top

The Blade Runner edition I own has both titles on the cover, and is not anything like the movie though the cover shows the movie characters.

13prosfilaes
Dec 18, 2016, 4:02am Top

>8 bernsad: It doesn't look like it's different, and the first review on Amazon claims that the Dick estate refused to let them print a movie novelization.

14klarusu
Dec 18, 2016, 4:48am Top

>12 fuzzi: &>13 prosfilaes: Maybe I'm misremembering the tie-in I have. I definitely have 2 versions (one under each title) that are identical but I was sure that the additional movie tie-in I had was different. It's been a while since I read that specific one though.

15bernsad
Dec 18, 2016, 6:12pm Top

>13 prosfilaes: I'm happy to stand corrected as I don't have both works to compare.

16MarthaJeanne
Dec 19, 2016, 1:14am Top

I have taken the Oxford bookworms edition out of the smaller work and properly recombined it.

17klarusu
Edited: Dec 19, 2016, 7:21am Top

Sorry ... wrong thread ... move along.

edited and copied to the other combining thread

18fuzzi
Dec 19, 2016, 9:39am Top

>16 MarthaJeanne: thank you. :)

19NinieB
Edited: Dec 27, 2016, 7:59pm Top

Could someone please combine the following works:

https://www.librarything.com/work/18857998
https://www.librarything.com/work/13232249
https://www.librarything.com/work/18858020

All three works are the unabridged, longer version of Little Women, including Part One and Part Two (which is sometimes published as Good Wives).

20jasbro
Dec 28, 2016, 11:14am Top

21NinieB
Dec 28, 2016, 12:32pm Top

>20 jasbro: Thanks!

22pale_fire
Jan 16, 2017, 3:49pm Top

Please combine these two works:
http://www.librarything.com/work/83267
http://www.librarything.com/work/18797759

I already rolled 4 smaller works into these two, but now I'm hitting the 200-copy cap.

23bernsad
Jan 16, 2017, 3:58pm Top

24pale_fire
Edited: Jan 19, 2017, 11:06pm Top

>23 bernsad: thank you!

26jasbro
Jan 22, 2017, 8:28am Top

>25 leselotte: Looks like it's done; thank you1

27leselotte
Jan 24, 2017, 4:36am Top

28.Monkey.
Jan 24, 2017, 5:46am Top

>27 leselotte: That's the one that was discussed up-thread. I don't know if a consensus was reached as to whether they were in fact the same title or not. (One is a movie tie-in, possibly cover/title alone, possibly not...)

29scott_beeler
Feb 26, 2017, 2:07pm Top

Here's what looks like a "Too Much Love" problem. There are currently three LT works representing Dan Ariely's "Predictably Irrational".

According to Common Knowledge (and my own searching agrees) this is a revised and expanded edition from 2009:
https://www.librarything.com/work/13468594/

And this is the original edition form 2008:
https://www.librarything.com/work/4179539/

The issue is this other edition that doesn't have any Common Knowledge relevant to which version it is:
https://www.librarything.com/work/13468633/

Each of the three works has more than 900 copies. The work 13468633 has almost all of its copies in an entry with ISBN 006135323X. While there are entries in each of the other two that are labeled with this ISBN, the original edition (work 4179539) contains many more entries and many more copies using that. This also matches what I've found in searching the internet for that ISBN. And there are no mentions of "revised" or "expanded" in the titles included in work 13468633.

So unless someone can see something I'm missing here, could someone please combine these two works:
https://www.librarything.com/work/4179539/
https://www.librarything.com/work/13468633/

30skittles
Feb 26, 2017, 8:05pm Top

#29: ok, I combined the two entries with the 'regular', not expanded edition titles.

Hopefully, that will help.

31scott_beeler
Feb 27, 2017, 12:19am Top

Great, thanks skittles.

32Nicole_VanK
Edited: May 29, 2017, 12:11pm Top

Somehow I never could get this to work for me. It's okay. But http://www.librarything.com/work/19579642 should really really be combined with http://www.librarything.com/work/2490769

Thanks in advance

33Nicole_VanK
May 29, 2017, 12:11pm Top

And with and http://www.librarything.com/work/19579617 - sorry,found that one a little lster

34jasbro
May 30, 2017, 11:10am Top

>32 Nicole_VanK:, >33 Nicole_VanK: Looks like these are done. Thanks, someone!

35agmlll
Jun 26, 2017, 1:42am Top

Please combine the different editions of W.E.B Du Bois' Souls of Black Folk. There is also one called Souls of Black People that I think should be included. Thanks.

36.Monkey.
Jun 26, 2017, 3:51am Top

There are two different editions that contain supplemental material, as well as others stating they have more than just the core work ("related readings," "other writings" etc). These should not be combined.

37r.orrison
Jul 3, 2017, 6:41am Top

Someone just separated these:
https://www.librarything.com/work/19806200/editions

Can anyone see a reason why?

38MarthaJeanne
Jul 3, 2017, 7:01am Top

No, and no disambiguation message. WorldCat specifically says that one is a "new trade paperback edition of the ... classic".

39jasbro
Edited: Jul 4, 2017, 1:23pm Top

>37 r.orrison:, >38 MarthaJeanne: Any way to tell who, and to ask (maybe privately) why?

ETA: Actually, on review, something seems quite wrong given The Guns of Avalon and Nine Princes in Amber are shown at https://www.librarything.com/work/20886 as "Original Titles" for Lord of Light. I'm not any Roger Zelazny expert, but I'm familiar with Works of his by those Titles; without limitation, they're different from each other. Thoughts on what and how to fix this? Thanks.

40jjwilson61
Edited: Jul 4, 2017, 2:52pm Top

>39 jasbro: The same person made the Stainless Steel Rat the Original Title for The Expositor's Bible Commentary.

To fix it, just remove the Original Title entries.

ETA: I've removed them.

41jasbro
Jul 6, 2017, 11:04am Top

>40 jjwilson61: Thanks. I was more wondering about the separations of https://www.librarything.com/work/20886, https://www.librarything.com/work/19806188 and https://www.librarything.com/work/19806200. I'm inclined to recombine them. Does anyone disagree? >37 r.orrison:? >38 MarthaJeanne:?

42MarthaJeanne
Jul 6, 2017, 3:38pm Top

>41 jasbro: Go ahead. There is still no sign of a reason.

43r.orrison
Jul 6, 2017, 3:58pm Top

'tis done.

44amanda4242
Edited: Jul 8, 2017, 6:39pm Top

>7 fuzzi: et al: I'm looking at a copy of Blade Runner https://www.librarything.com/work/16790268/summary and it has this on the copyright page
In 1968, Philip K. Dick wrote Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, a brilliant sf novel that became the source of the motion picture Blade Runner. Though the novel's characters and backgrounds differ in some respects from those of the film, readers who enjoy the latter will discover an added dimension on encountering the original work. Del Rey Books is pleased to return this classic novel to print.
I've read this edition and it is not a novelization or a simplified version; it is a re-titled tie-in edition of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep so it should be combined.

https://www.librarything.com/work/16790268/summary
https://www.librarything.com/work/881/summary

45jasbro
Jul 10, 2017, 11:58am Top

>44 amanda4242: Done. It looks like somebody was doing lots of good work separating out and recombining multi-volume (mostly foreign language) editions, abridgements, etc. Unsure whether they just weren't sure about this one, or if maybe it was a half-step in their larger project. Hope I didn't mess things up for them, but - given what you shared - the two LT Works should be combined. Thanks!

46amanda4242
Jul 10, 2017, 1:58pm Top

>45 jasbro: Thank you!

47AbigailAdams26
Jul 18, 2017, 3:41pm Top

Please combine these editions of The Pout-Pout Fish:

https://www.librarything.com/work/4997452

https://www.librarything.com/work/13936253/summary

https://www.librarything.com/work/18500026

https://www.librarything.com/work/18493377

Thank you! The second link is to the same book, just with book and CD, the third and fourth link are to the Spanish and French editions of the book.

48r.orrison
Aug 10, 2017, 6:51am Top

I can do this combination, but just wanted someone else to confirm that I'm not missing some reason why they're separate.

The Notebook by Nicholas Sparks:
https://www.librarything.com/work/10373932
https://www.librarything.com/work/19751569

Thanks!

49MarthaJeanne
Aug 10, 2017, 7:33am Top

>48 r.orrison: I don't see anything. Not that I could combine them, but I see no reason not to. I would suggest adding a disambiguation notice to try and keep film versions separate.

50r.orrison
Aug 10, 2017, 9:15am Top

>49 MarthaJeanne: Thanks for the confirmation. I've combined them, and added the notice.

52jasbro
Aug 15, 2017, 10:58am Top

>51 TerenceHearsay: Done. Thanks for your help on this one!

55r.orrison
Aug 16, 2017, 1:53am Top

57jasbro
Aug 17, 2017, 2:40pm Top

58AnnaClaire
Aug 25, 2017, 12:11pm Top

Three versions of the same book

https://www.librarything.com/work/13489922
https://www.librarything.com/work/11938782
https://www.librarything.com/work/13490285

Possibly some others, but those are the three I found.

59jasbro
Aug 25, 2017, 1:49pm Top

>58 AnnaClaire: There's also a 4th Edition, https://www.librarything.com/work/20135295. I'm unfamiliar with the Work(s), but wonder whether the different editions have sufficiently different content to warrant distinguishing among them.

60prosfilaes
Aug 25, 2017, 2:56pm Top

>58 AnnaClaire: >59 jasbro: I don't know about the Special 3rd Edition and 3rd Edition, but the different editions are radically different and https://www.librarything.com/work/13490285 needs separating. C++ was evolving quickly, and still is, and each new edition is following those major changes.

61AnnaClaire
Aug 25, 2017, 6:11pm Top

>60 prosfilaes: In that case there's still work to do, but in disambiguating...

62jasbro
Edited: Aug 25, 2017, 10:25pm Top

>60 prosfilaes:, >61 AnnaClaire: On reviewing Titles, Editions, WorldCat (and sometimes Amazon) for the various ISBNs and non-ISBN records of Stroustrup's Work, we now have most editions duly separated and recombined as:
Please take a look, let me know what you think, and advise regarding appropriate Disambiguation Notices. Thank you both.

63prosfilaes
Aug 26, 2017, 12:20am Top

>62 jasbro: Thanks. Since you put so much work into this, I added Disambiguation Notices. There's a question about 3rd and Special 3rd, which amount to two appendices, but the rest looks fine.

64jasbro
Aug 26, 2017, 10:23pm Top

>63 prosfilaes: Thanks for the Disambiguation Notices.

According to WorldCat records, the 3rd Edition first appeared in 2000, but each ISBN after 2003 until the 4th Edition (2015) seems to have been a "Special Edition," "Special 3rd Edition," or (in German) a "4. {fourth} updated and expanded Edition, from the Special Edition." That seemed to be a significant distinction for WorldCat; but, if anyone who knows both editions well disagrees, we can recombine them at a later date.

65Forficule
Aug 27, 2017, 5:47am Top

Having just been scanning some of my Asterix albums into LT, was looking at the series and wanting to do some cleaning/combining.
Obelix and Co (Vol 23 of Asterix) to be combined:

http://www.librarything.com/work/1757700
http://www.librarything.com/work/19971733
http://www.librarything.com/work/19971687

Thanks

66jasbro
Aug 27, 2017, 6:38pm Top

67hipdeep
Nov 20, 2017, 10:05am Top

The 3 editions of "Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria?" should be combined.

http://www.librarything.com/work/20198100
http://www.librarything.com/work/20256709
http://www.librarything.com/work/20253560

Thanks!

68MarthaJeanne
Nov 20, 2017, 11:03am Top

>67 hipdeep: it looks like MARSlibrary may have separated those out recently. At least that member put in the canonical titles for three different publishing dates in on Sept 27.

69hipdeep
Nov 20, 2017, 5:12pm Top

Yeah, I saw that. But they're editions, not new works.

70Jarandel
Edited: Nov 20, 2017, 5:44pm Top

>69 hipdeep: Part of the text and extra content seem to have been revised with some editions.

I'd still go with the cocktail party rule if it was me, but if someone felt strongly enough about it to distinguish them I suppose they can be left alone.

71jasbro
Edited: Nov 20, 2017, 6:29pm Top

>67 hipdeep:, >68 MarthaJeanne:, >70 Jarandel: I recently did a great deal of the separating and recombining on this Work to distinguish between four editions having different content, including advice from a family member who knows the Author and is familiar with the Work. I'm unsure how it escaped Disambiguation Notices before, but I've re-separated the first (1997) and revised (1999) editions, and added DNs across the board to highlight the differences. I know this isn't what was requested or expected, and I'll defer to others if the separations are inappropriate; but if we would distinguish based on different, new or additional content, I understand that's what we have here. All responses are welcome, and correct me if I'm wrong!

72hipdeep
Nov 21, 2017, 7:56am Top

>71 jasbro: Thanks for chiming in! If you consulted with someone more familiar with the different editions than I am, I'll defer to their judgement. (I've met Dr. Tatum - who's wonderful - but I'm not familiar with the different editions of this title.)

However, my understanding of "the cocktail party rule" is that new afterwords and forewords are not what's intended to be understood as "additional material". As I understand it, that's more for things like critical annotated editions or major revisions which really change the argument of the text. Similarly, there's a difference between the "revised editions" which introduce new chapters or cover new areas of argument, and the ones which basically just update statistics or examples. Again, I defer to people who looked closer at this title, but it remains my general position that I'd only want to see major changes separated, not minor ones. For things like touchstones, lists, and the recommender, it seems that we'd get better user experiences with the editions combined.

73scott_beeler
Nov 23, 2017, 2:41am Top

There are two LT works for Neil Gaiman's "American Gods":
https://www.librarything.com/work/2280068/editions (original edition)
https://www.librarything.com/work/14321538/editions (tenth anniversary / "author's preferred text" edition)

I was cleaning these up and noticed that ISBN 0755322819 is split between the two, with 15+ entries in each work. It looks like those should be put into the tenth anniversary edition. I would do it but one of the entries in the original edition is a 900-copy one. Could somebody move those 0755322819 entries over to the tenth anniversary edition?

74jasbro
Nov 24, 2017, 7:32pm Top

>73 scott_beeler: The Big One, and several others, are done. Gotta go now ...

75scott_beeler
Nov 24, 2017, 8:31pm Top

Thanks. I've completed the others now.

76TerenceHearsay
Jan 1, 2018, 10:45am Top

These two Sherlock Holmes omnibus works should be combined, as both contain exactly the same familiar canon of 56 short stories and 4 novels.

https://www.librarything.com/work/24420
https://www.librarything.com/work/15182928

77scott_beeler
Jan 3, 2018, 2:28am Top

Here's an awkward situation regarding Stephen King's "Apt Pupil". It was published as one of four novellas in "Different Seasons":
https://www.librarything.com/work/1482/editions

There is also a separate LT entry for the novella "Apt Pupil" only:
https://www.librarything.com/work/16162329/editions

But there is also the following entry which has ISBN of "Different Seasons" though a couple of the items in it have other titles like "Apt Pupil : A Novella in Different Seasons".
https://www.librarything.com/work/16160575/editions

It's not obvious what to do -- it could either be merged in with work 1482, or it could be split and the individual parts merged as appropriate (though they share the same ISBN). However, it's more than 200 copies so I can't do it anyway.

78r.orrison
Edited: Jan 3, 2018, 3:29am Top

I mostly go by the rule that title takes precedence over ISBN. If a typical user catalogs a work, and the title is wrong, they're likely to fix the title. If the ISBN is wrong, they probably won't notice. I would combine editions that clearly refer to the novella Apt Pupil with the main Apt Pupil work, even if they have the ISBN of Different Seasons.

Oh, and clearly "Apt Pupil" is the same work as "Apt Pupil: A Novella in Different Seasons". It doesn't matter if the work is published on its own, or as part of another work, or as an unabridged audiobook, or as an ebook - if it's the same work (in the general sense of authored words), it's the same work (in the LibraryThing sense).

79scott_beeler
Jan 3, 2018, 4:06am Top

That's the "split by title" option then, which sounds reasonable and is usually my preference too. Some of the components are pretty clear going by title, some aren't, and some are translations which I'm not sure about without more investigation. The 200+ copy one is the "Apt Pupil: A Novella in Different Seasons" which should be put into "Apt Pupil" then.

From a quick glance there are several in "Different Seasons" that could be sorted out to the individual novellas as well; I can look into that later.

80r.orrison
Jan 3, 2018, 5:11am Top

I split off one edition titled "Different Seasons" and combined that with "Different Seasons". The rest I've combined with the main Apt Pupil work. It looks like there are quite a few things combined in with Different Seasons that should be separated out and combined appropriately. For example, "De leerling" is the Dutch translation of "Apt Pupil";

81scott_beeler
Jan 3, 2018, 12:38pm Top

Thanks. Some translations can be tricky because they take a particular story title to use as the title for the whole collection. Since these works are a little messy I'm going to work my way through them as I can by looking at ISBNs. For example, "Verano de Corrupcion" is the Spanish translation of the summer "season" which is/contains "Apt Pupil" but also the title of an edition containing 2 of the 4 novellas (spring/summer). Arrr.

82scott_beeler
Jan 8, 2018, 10:37pm Top

Another Stephen King request:

There is a loose entry for "Nightmares & Dreamscapes" with 1600+ copies:
https://www.librarything.com/work/20075330

that needs to be combined with the main entry:
https://www.librarything.com/work/7034

83r.orrison
Jan 9, 2018, 2:38am Top

84scott_beeler
Jan 13, 2018, 3:53am Top

And the Stephen King fun continues...

This rather large entry for "The Stand":
https://www.librarything.com/work/20933193/editions

should be combined with the main entry ("The Stand: The Complete and Uncut Edition") here:
https://www.librarything.com/work/1242461/editions

I pulled it out of the work for the original shorter "The Stand" but due to its size I can't do the combine.

85.Monkey.
Jan 13, 2018, 5:25am Top

Has there been discussion about whether those should actually be separated in the first place?

86scott_beeler
Jan 13, 2018, 12:52pm Top

For some works' "revised" editions I would think it arguable whether or not they're different enough to be a distinct work, but the revised "Stand" is substantially different (just in terms of amount of material, it's ~1200 pages compared to the ~800 page original) so I think it's clearly distinct.

From memory I'm pretty sure this lines up with LibraryThing policy, but I can't point to specific discussions.

87.Monkey.
Jan 13, 2018, 3:38pm Top

Policy is "cocktail party" - if people were chatting about the book and had read the different versions, would they be talking about the same thing or would there be confusion. I'd be surprised if this one wasn't discussed previously, but I suppose it's possible.

88r.orrison
Jan 13, 2018, 6:18pm Top

I'd say the two should be separated, though I'm far from an expert on the works. I'm not sure if https://www.librarything.com/work/20933193/covers should be combined with either, though. The ISBN may belong to the Complete and Uncut Edition, but members have uploaded covers for the shorter version. I suspect that many people search for The Stand and add whatever they get, without regard to the ISBN, and then upload the correct cover for their copy.

89jasbro
Edited: Jan 13, 2018, 11:25pm Top

Please do not combine The Stand (1978) with The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition (1990). The latter edition contains over 300 pages of new material and includes subplots and characters not included in the 1978 edition.

90scott_beeler
Jan 14, 2018, 1:25pm Top

I agree that there are surely some people who have entry 20933193 but mean it to be the original 1978 "Stand", but I don't think that should stop us from merging 20933193 in appropriately with the Complete and Uncut "Stand". The incorrect cover uploads are user error (understandable, but still) and we shouldn't allow user error from a small number of people to interfere with the correct allocation of (in this case) 1500+ users' entries.

If there's no other information, using cover uploads to evaluate an entry is fine, but when there's direct evidence in the form of an ISBN or clear title I would give that precedence.

91r.orrison
Jan 14, 2018, 1:35pm Top

I don't think the uploaded cover is user error - they're not likely to upload a picture of a cover they don't have. I think the user error is the ISBN.

92scott_beeler
Jan 14, 2018, 2:47pm Top

Sorry, I meant in the sense of wrong cover for that ISBN (because they chose the wrong ISBN for their copy). I don't think we should keep this entry separate from the main entry because a small number of people have misidentified it.

93Jarandel
Jan 29, 2018, 2:39pm Top

Woops, those are in need of re-combining :

https://www.librarything.com/work/21020455
https://www.librarything.com/work/6778523

"The Harmony Guide to Knitting Stitches (Vol. 1) (Lyric Books) was re-titled as 450 Knitting Stitches: Volume 2 (Collins & Brown)."

94Faranae
Jan 30, 2018, 11:17am Top

>90 scott_beeler: >91 r.orrison: >92 scott_beeler: I agree that cover seems to take precedence over ISBN. I usually look at the cover when adding books, not the ISBN, because I'm more likely to incorrectly recall or read a string of numbers than an image of a book I have in hand. And I've definitely had a few books that I scanned with the app that still somehow had the wrong ISBN, but if I found a matching work by cover and title, I told myself I'd sort the ISBN issue later (then promptly had to put my books in storage for the upteenth time...).

95jasbro
Edited: Jan 30, 2018, 12:10pm Top

>93 Jarandel: Done, with Original and Alternative Titles added in CK. There are bunches of other combinations proposed, which I'll entrust to you.

96scott_beeler
Feb 3, 2018, 12:35pm Top

>94 Faranae: Faranae: I understand what you mean about entering your book by cover, but I just don't get how we can reasonably sort the LT database that way. In the case I brought up of entry 20933193, it has 23 member-uploaded covers, about half for the original version and half for the expanded version of "The Stand". The original-version covers are used by about 50 LT members, and the expanded-version covers by about 50 LT members as well. There are also 2 covers from amazon, both for the expanded version, which are used by the other 1400+ LT members (since it's the default -- and what shows up on the Add Books page, by the way, so I think also by your enter-by-cover criteria in this case it should go with the expanded version entry 1242461 with the others of its ISBN).

Whichever version this entry gets put into (original or expanded), there will be people with the wrong cover for that work. We can't split this one entry to get each set of covers to the appropriate work because they're all attached to the same discrete thing. One option is to merge it with what seems like the most appropriate work by some criterion, such as ISBN which is a specific indicator attached to all 1500+ copies of this work, rather than just 50 or so; this is what I think should be done. The other option is to leave it separate and unmerged with either, but that will just lead to a splintering of the database as there are millions of works that have differing covers uploaded and could be split off -- we might have tens or hundreds of different entries for "The Stand" which are indeterminate in terms of covers.

Anyway, I don't have skin in this game, I don't even have any copy of "The Stand". I was just doing some cleanup of Stephen King and brought this up in doing so due to the Too Much Love limit.

97Faranae
Feb 5, 2018, 12:32pm Top

>96 scott_beeler: I have no skin in this game, either. I don't own a single Stephen King book! I was really more commenting on the general approach to edition issues when combining and what I suspect user behavior might be. As the first rule of Combining is "do no harm," the question is whether the 50 or so people would be harmed by this change (since the rule takes as a given that status quo is good enough - not ideal, but preferable to new harm).

99r.orrison
Feb 8, 2018, 2:10am Top

100AndreasJ
Feb 25, 2018, 11:32am Top

The Penguin Classics version of The Picture of Dorian Gray is not combined with the main work; there seems no reason it shouldn't be:

https://www.librarything.com/work/1527
https://www.librarything.com/work/21011234

101.Monkey.
Feb 25, 2018, 12:44pm Top

102AndreasJ
Feb 25, 2018, 1:17pm Top

103Bettesbooks
Feb 26, 2018, 6:17pm Top

When I go to combine the 2 below files the LT system says NO, must go to staff to prevent errors (which I totally get)

Pinocchio (Puffin Classics) 407 members, 19 editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/21373940
(these are all copies of the original work not retells, adapts)

with the original work
Pinocchio 4344 members 1727 editions
https://www.librarything.com/work/33943 (I have already separated as many non-original works as I could identify)

Thanks

104.Monkey.
Feb 27, 2018, 3:01am Top

105Bettesbooks
Feb 27, 2018, 5:58am Top

>104 .Monkey.: Thank you!

106quigui
Feb 27, 2018, 9:44am Top

I'm not 100% sure as there are a few variants, but I think these two editions of the last unicorn are the same:
https://www.librarything.com/work/6485
https://www.librarything.com/work/20998998

107.Monkey.
Feb 27, 2018, 10:01am Top

>106 quigui: Do you know if the 40th anniv edition contains anything extra? Because that's what most of those are, and the disambig on the other one says something about a "Deluxe Edition" which has an extra story...

108quigui
Feb 27, 2018, 10:33am Top

>107 .Monkey.: I was trying to figure out online if there was something extra, but amazon's reviews are a mess with the graphic novel combined with the novel itself. The edition I have (ISBN: 9780451450524) which shares the ISBN with the 40th anniversary edition (the book itself doesn't mention it, IIRC) and it's just the 1 story. So, as far as I can tell, it's the same work.

109.Monkey.
Feb 27, 2018, 10:40am Top

Alrighty then, combined.

110quigui
Feb 27, 2018, 10:48am Top

112jasbro
Jun 10, 2018, 8:04am Top

113scott_beeler
Jun 16, 2018, 2:46am Top

Can someone combine this splinter of "The Eye of the World" with the main entry? Thanks.

https://www.librarything.com/work/3691
https://www.librarything.com/work/21958191/

114skittles
Jun 16, 2018, 9:43am Top

115scott_beeler
Jul 1, 2018, 12:41pm Top

The following three entries should be combined, as they all represent the complete "Bone" comics series by Jeff Smith, whether in a single omnibus volume or in a box set of nine volumes. The second and third entries contain just a single ISBN which is also well represented in the first entry. Thanks.

https://www.librarything.com/work/6984
https://www.librarything.com/work/19531594
https://www.librarything.com/work/19531585

116r.orrison
Jul 1, 2018, 2:11pm Top

>155
Done.

117MarthaJeanne
Aug 4, 2018, 3:42pm Top

Michener's The Covenant

http://www.librarything.com/work/179232
http://www.librarything.com/work/20968009

The first one has a lot of vol. 2 mixed in, but even if they were all removed, there would still be hundreds of full copies.

118scott_beeler
Aug 4, 2018, 5:22pm Top

>117 MarthaJeanne: It looks actually like there's not a separate Vol. 2 anymore, so someone must have merged a bunch of "complete"/"1+2" in with the Vol. 2 entry. I'm just heading out now, but if nobody else has taken this on, I can give it a go later.

119Jarandel
Aug 4, 2018, 7:55pm Top

>118 scott_beeler: Separated out Vol. 2, but it looks like there might still be some work to be done on the 1+2 sets/omnibus work(s), there's currently 2 of them (http://www.librarything.com/work/22160567 and http://www.librarything.com/work/20968009) and some might be abridgements ?

121MarthaJeanne
Aug 6, 2018, 1:53am Top

Michener is wordy, and given the size of my copy, I'm not surprised that some editions were split into two volumes. Thank you all very much.

123r.orrison
Aug 11, 2018, 6:48am Top

125europhile
Aug 19, 2018, 10:25pm Top

126shmjay
Dec 26, 2018, 3:50pm Top

These appear to be the same work (there's no disambiguation notice saying they aren't):

https://www.librarything.com/work/22555848
https://www.librarything.com/work/852

127r.orrison
Dec 26, 2018, 4:08pm Top

Looked good to me; now combined.

128MarthaJeanne
Dec 26, 2018, 4:17pm Top

I can't do it, but I did check it out. Looked good to me, too.

129MarthaJeanne
Jan 7, 12:01pm Top

I separated The Enchanted Brocolli Forest out from The New Enchanted Brocolli Forest, but recombined in the wrong order leaving me with http://www.librarything.com/work/18956412
and http://www.librarything.com/work/22715758. Can someone please fix it?

130jasbro
Jan 7, 12:40pm Top

131MarthaJeanne
Jan 7, 1:43pm Top

>130 jasbro: Thank you. I'll try to remember to do it right next time.

132Nicole_VanK
Jan 29, 3:56am Top

134r.orrison
Jan 29, 4:38am Top

Done.

135Nicole_VanK
Edited: Jan 30, 3:27am Top

>133 MarthaJeanne: That's odd, I copy/pasted. Ah well. You're right though.

>134 r.orrison: Thank you

137jasbro
Edited: Feb 1, 5:07pm Top

138Forficule
Feb 7, 5:41am Top

Hello there,

I was adding the graphic novel nersion of the Hobbit to my collection and kept finding myself redirected to the Novel.

I split https://www.librarything.com/work/22837446 off from https://www.librarything.com/work/3206242 as I believed it was the graphic novel version https://www.librarything.com/work/14184045. I am now not sure about this.

There is certainly some confusion in the editions, I think all the ones with the subtitle "An Illustrated Edition of the Fantasy Classic" should be under the graphic novel.

Amazon mixes up the ISBN numbers, listing the mass market paperback ISBN-10 0261102214 for the graphic novel when it should be 0345368584 https://www.amazon.com/J-R-R-Tolkiens-Hobbit-Illustrated-Fantasy/dp/0345368584/ which means that when using the app to import it combines with the novel version.

I don't know what the solution might be, however the work I split off should be recombined back into one of the main Hobbit works.

Thanks.

139MarthaJeanne
Feb 7, 6:10am Top

>138 Forficule: At least some of the copies in that edition are the graphic novel. See the reviews and the possible other authors. WorldCat connects that ISBN to the film tie-in edition. It might be better to put in disambiguation to say that the title and ISBN don't match, but that correcting one or the other in a members catalogue would allow a copy to be separated out and correctly combined.

140TerenceHearsay
Feb 20, 12:48am Top

I doubt if there is sufficient (or, indeed, any) reason to keep this Wordsworth Classics edition of Le Morte Darthur separated from all the others.

https://www.librarything.com/work/21510210

141r.orrison
Edited: Feb 20, 2:03am Top

The Wordsworth Classic edition "is here presented in modern spelling and is accompanied by an Introduction and helpful Glossary". (http://wordsworth-editions.com/collections/world-literature/le-morte-darthur) I'd say combine, but someone has clearly gathered them all together separate from the main work at https://www.librarything.com/work/29278. Does anyone else want to weigh in?

142MarthaJeanne
Feb 20, 2:45am Top

I separated out a volume 2 and discovered a lot of editions in http://www.librarything.com/work/3460004 that need moving. One I could deal with, but not the rest of this.

I say combine. The one review on that work is obviously not Wordsworth classics.

143r.orrison
Feb 20, 3:03am Top

Done.

144TerenceHearsay
Feb 24, 2:01am Top

Please combine with the main work.

https://www.librarything.com/work/20076036

145r.orrison
Feb 24, 5:15am Top

Done.

147r.orrison
Feb 27, 7:29pm Top

Done.

148amanda4242
Feb 27, 8:35pm Top

149SimoneA
Mar 4, 11:14am Top

Could someone combine https://www.librarything.com/work/22962687/editions and https://www.librarything.com/work/5598930/editions? They're the same three book collection as far as I can tell. Thanks in advance!

151MarthaJeanne
Edited: Mar 6, 10:35am Top

This message has been deleted by its author.

152r.orrison
Mar 6, 12:23pm Top

153jasbro
Mar 11, 11:56am Top

154andejons
Mar 13, 5:53am Top

https://www.librarything.com/work/5827
https://www.librarything.com/work/23015276

(Someone seem to have separated them due to a mistaken belief that one was an abridged edition).

155jasbro
Mar 13, 10:37am Top

156lorax
Apr 24, 3:56pm Top

Bumping this, so that it shows up rather than the older but for some reason still-active thread.

157jakebornheimer
May 23, 3:14pm Top

These two works are both the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius and need combining!

https://www.librarything.com/work/15945
https://www.librarything.com/work/2391120

158jasbro
Edited: May 24, 10:44am Top

>157 jakebornheimer: I'm glad to do it, but seem to recall there's a reason to distinguish Loeb Classical Library editions from others, similar to our practice with Norton Annotated editions. If so, the non-Loeb editions mixed in at https://www.librarything.com/work/2391120 should probably be separated and re-combined with the larger, "main" Work, https://www.librarything.com/work/15945. Does anyone recall a conversation thread on how we would treat Loeb Classical Library editions?

ETA:>156 lorax: Thank you!

159AnnieMod
Jul 27, 12:52pm Top

>158 jasbro: Late to the party but better late than never - Loeb are dual language books so they stay out from the main editions not because of the Norton rule but because of the dead language one. They still get combined with the other dual language books.

This above is a mess though - there are a lot of pure English editions in the Loeb record. I will work on it later today and sort them out a bit.

160aspirit
Aug 12, 5:03pm Top

If You Give a Mouse a Cookie has gotten too much love.

I attempted to combine works:Array, 23575457, 23575426, 23575422, 23575419, 2122992, 23575414

161r.orrison
Edited: Aug 12, 5:51pm Top

>160 aspirit:
Done. Except http://www.librarything.com/work/23575419 which has the media type video recording, and the MARC record agrees.

162aspirit
Aug 12, 7:19pm Top

>161 r.orrison: oops. Nice catch. Thank you for the book combinations!

163SimoneA
Edited: Aug 27, 5:06am Top

Could someone combine the next two works? They're both Tuesdays with Morrie. Thanks!

https://www.librarything.com/work/3331
https://www.librarything.com/work/23327807

And another one, this time Little Women:
https://www.librarything.com/work/2770499
https://www.librarything.com/work/22983119

164r.orrison
Aug 27, 7:30am Top

165MarthaJeanne
Aug 27, 7:30am Top

>163 SimoneA: Umm, that last one is a misch masch of editions, film versions, adapted versions, ...

166r.orrison
Aug 27, 7:32am Top

Ah bugger. I did check for a disambiguation notice, but there was nothing there.

1672wonderY
Aug 27, 7:41am Top

Crap. I had just added my Doubleday & Company copy, isbn 1568651198 and it auto-combined to the wrong Little Women. That editions page is an unholy mess.

168r.orrison
Edited: Aug 27, 7:46am Top

I've pulled out two clearly adapted/abridged editions. Most of what's left there looks like it belongs there. I don't see any obvious films. Is ISBN 1568651198 different from the main work?

1692wonderY
Aug 27, 7:49am Top

It's the full Little Women/Good Wives.

170r.orrison
Aug 27, 7:52am Top

Got it. And a couple other adaptations.

1712wonderY
Aug 27, 8:12am Top

>170 r.orrison: Well, bless you!

172SimoneA
Aug 27, 10:13am Top

> 165 Huh, I must have linked a wrong work, I thought I was talking about a one edition work. Apologies for any mix-ups!

173ryner
Oct 26, 1:09pm Top

These two records both appear (to me) to be the same work, but cannot be combined due to the number of copies affected. Would someone be able to confirm/fix? Thank you.

https://www.librarything.com/work/2888
https://www.librarything.com/work/21921962

174ryner
Oct 26, 1:21pm Top

Likewise with the following two, which share the same ISBN:

https://www.librarything.com/work/23625630
https://www.librarything.com/work/23625633

175lyzard
Edited: Nov 1, 6:21am Top

Please combine the following:

http://www.librarything.com/work/884309
http://www.librarything.com/work/17510150

Dracula's Guest And Other Weird Tales is the original title of a collection of nine short stories by Bram Stoker; it is now usually reissued just as Dracula's Guest. Penguin however continues to use the original title which is probably how we've ended up with two equally crowded listings. :)

Note that there are also listings for the title story alone but I think I have separated them all out from the work.

176jasbro
Nov 1, 12:51pm Top

>175 lyzard: Done. Thanks for the insight and your help straightening it up.

177lyzard
Nov 1, 4:08pm Top

>176 jasbro:

Thanks very much!

179fdholt
Nov 2, 7:52pm Top

>178 Shortride: I wouldn't combine the 2:
the 5012 is Harbrace College Handbook
and
3306002 is Hodges' Harbrace Handbook

180MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 3, 2:41am Top

>178 Shortride: Works like that that have gone through many editions and revisions over time (since 1941) are generally broken down into works depending on when major changes were made. Change of title is an easy break.

Current edition seems to be 19th from 2017 (848 pages). That is certainly a very different work from the revised 13th of 1998 (632 pages) or the fifth edition, 1962, 502 pages.

The 18th, 2012 (813) seems very similar.

181SimoneA
Nov 7, 9:27am Top

As far as I can see, https://www.librarything.com/work/17267504/editions and https://www.librarything.com/work/23409259/editions are the same work. If the special rehearsal edition is actually a separate work, there's another job here :).

182MarthaJeanne
Nov 7, 9:38am Top

The top edition on the first of those was a two book bundle. Separated and work-to-work relationships entered. I suggest that checking it through for more problems would be a good idea before any combining.

183SimoneA
Edited: Nov 7, 9:55am Top

>182 MarthaJeanne: Apologies, I missed that. I think it's all cleaned up now!

185fdholt
Nov 9, 5:07pm Top

>184 ryner: Somehow I got it to combine - just took a long time.

186EerierIdyllMeme
Nov 17, 11:15pm Top

Please combine:

https://www.librarything.com/work/23918735/work/9387940

into

https://www.librarything.com/work/3373

The former are editions with ISBN 0-451-52219-2 which I separated out of the Lilliput & Brobdignag edition. I have a copy in hand, and it definitely has all four voyages, and is 320 pages, and is as far as I can tell unabridged. (I added the correct last words--these match the ones in the main work page.)

And I'd love to know how to combine works despite the error!

187bernsad
Nov 18, 12:36am Top

188jasbro
Edited: Nov 18, 10:26am Top

>186 EerierIdyllMeme:, >187 bernsad: I suspect EerierIdyllMeme inadvertently tacked "/work/9387940" onto "https://www.librarything.com/work/23918735," yielding an altogether incorrect link. The latter is now combined with https://www.librarything.com/work/3373, and https://www.librarything.com/work/9387940 is an entirely different Work.

189susanbooks
Nov 20, 1:44pm Top

https://www.librarything.com/work/23928012

https://www.librarything.com/work/23927825

These 2 pages need to be combined. They’re for Rebecca Solnit’s Men Explain Things to Me,Updated Edition which contains additional essays. I separated them out from the original edition but I’m getting the Too Much Love message when I try to combine them myself. Can anyone help? Many thanks!

190r.orrison
Edited: Nov 20, 2:00pm Top

>189 susanbooks: Done, and I added a work-to-work relation which will block combination with the earlier edition

191susanbooks
Nov 21, 3:17pm Top

>190 r.orrison: Thank you!

193r.orrison
Dec 3, 2:03am Top

194SimoneA
Dec 3, 8:52am Top

I don't see a reason why https://www.librarything.com/work/22837446 is separate from the main work https://www.librarything.com/work/3206242. Can someone combine them? Thanks!

1952wonderY
Dec 3, 8:57am Top

>194 SimoneA: The other authors section list two adaptors. So not the same work.

196r.orrison
Edited: Dec 3, 9:34am Top

>194 SimoneA: https://www.librarything.com/work/22837446 has two member-uploaded cover images of the graphic novel adaptation (https://www.librarything.com/work/14184045 which should be kept separate), but the ISBN and some of the tags seem to indicate that it's an illustrated edition of the main work. I don't think it should be combined with either, and I'm normally a lumper.

I've added a disambiguation notice.

197extra_money_online
Dec 4, 1:10am Top

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199JESHTISANJAY
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201MarthaJeanne
Dec 4, 12:09pm Top

What is with the spammers here?

202Jarandel
Dec 4, 12:18pm Top

>201 MarthaJeanne: Some might be automated tools, or people with scant understanding of english, or desire to waste any time who just target the most recently active threads, whatever they might be about.

2032wonderY
Dec 4, 12:30pm Top

Another talk site I visit is having a rash of Spam postings today. Recharge your weapons!

204jasbro
Dec 4, 2:01pm Top

>198 leselotte: Done.

And, with that, this thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Blocks to combining that affects large numbers of copies (Sorry, too much love!) #3. Thank you!

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